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KISSmetrics has a post explaining how the tracking works. http://www.kissmetrics.com/how-it-works They claim that simply using AdBlock is enough to defeat the tracking. They also claim "KISSmetrics has never, and will never, share anonymous customer activity of what people did on customer A’s site with customer B."
I've worked with the KM folks. Great people, genuinely kind, and they want to make a great product. I think it's disgusting to single out a startup like this, especially right as they are gaining traction with some big-name clients. There is value in what they are doing, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. They are tracking user behavior completely anonymously.
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I think the reason you're being downvoted is because you didn't provide any proof.
Sites like Hulu and Spotify predominately use web analytics to gauge their audience in order to sell advertising, not to make their sites better. That may be a by-product, but that's not driving their analytics usage. Additionally, cross-site tracking isn't used for feature/usage tracking. It's used for highly targeted advertising. My point was the "shattering advantages" are really advantages for advertisers, not we…
EDIT: But apparently no one cares, and will listen to whoever talks like an authority.
There is nothing more evil in modern business than marketers. Between real life experience and MBA classes I have come to despise most everything involved in modern marketing, especially in the technology space.
Give me a break. This isn't evil marketers hiding in their underground lair. This is web developers, designers, and product managers gaining insight about their users. They don't package this information and sell it wholesale to advertisers. They use it to make the product better . You are taking this -way- too seriously. The ability to have perfect information on how users interact with your product is one the earth…
Yet. Genie, meet bottle.
Thinking this information will never be sold is short sighted and naive.
When it becomes advantageous for them to do so, they'll sell it in a heartbeat and then sell it again. Somewhere in there the FBI and the NSA will start making "requests" for them to share with the government.
What begins as clever social commentary in movies like Minority Report tends to wind up as a sad fact of life years later.
I've worked with the KM folks. Great people, genuinely kind, and they want to make a great product. I think it's disgusting to single out a startup like this, especially right as they are gaining traction with some big-name clients. There is value in what they are doing, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. They are tracking user behavior completely anonymously.
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KISSmetrics has a post explaining how the tracking works. http://www.kissmetrics.com/how-it-works They claim that simply using AdBlock is enough to defeat the tracking. They also claim "KISSmetrics has never, and will never, share anonymous customer activity of what people did on customer A’s site with customer B."
Well, I guess you can always maintain a hosts file but that's the only way I can think of.
There is nothing more evil in modern business than marketers. Between real life experience and MBA classes I have come to despise most everything involved in modern marketing, especially in the technology space.
Give me a break. This isn't evil marketers hiding in their underground lair. This is web developers, designers, and product managers gaining insight about their users. They don't package this information and sell it wholesale to advertisers. They use it to make the product better . You are taking this -way- too seriously. The ability to have perfect information on how users interact with your product is one the earth…
So it's okay for them to be evil as long as we don't discover that they are? More seriously, once they have the info, how can we be sure we nail them? The best way is still to ensure that they don't get the information in the first place.
I've worked with the KM folks. Great people, genuinely kind, and they want to make a great product. I think it's disgusting to single out a startup like this, especially right as they are gaining traction with some big-name clients. There is value in what they are doing, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. They are tracking user behavior completely anonymously.
Just because you, a human, cant look at the millions of data points and go "oh look, there's george tomlinson of 28 esperay avenue doing something we dont like" doesnt mean that it cannot be done or will not be done, or indeed is not being done already.
Some of us dont want to walk around with yellow badges thank you. Do you imagine that fact that the badges are only visible to those with the resources and motive to discover them, and not the average joe, is more, or less of a motivation for privacy?
I've worked with the KM folks. Great people, genuinely kind, and they want to make a great product. I think it's disgusting to single out a startup like this, especially right as they are gaining traction with some big-name clients. There is value in what they are doing, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. They are tracking user behavior completely anonymously.
If I installed an application on your computer that sent me the names of all the applications you ran, when you ran them and how long for. That reinstalled itself when you attempted to remove it and that used every technique it could to gather information about you, you would want me arrested as a hacker.
I think what they do is disgusting, and I hope to hell that stories like this kill the traction they have gained with some big-name clients.
KISSmetrics has a post explaining how the tracking works. http://www.kissmetrics.com/how-it-works They claim that simply using AdBlock is enough to defeat the tracking. They also claim "KISSmetrics has never, and will never, share anonymous customer activity of what people did on customer A’s site with customer B."
but if they change their mind, there is no way I can stop them - right?