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Tesla Announces a Humanoid Robot “Tesla Bot”

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> I have been following it closely since 2012. Not sure where he flushed the money down the toilet? You have been following for that long and don't know the company continues to burn cash? That they said they'd never raise money again, and then raised money about 6 times? That if it wasn't for subsidies and funky accounting there is no profit?

Tesla has had their fair share of hard times. And some mornings have been horrible after having read some Elon tweets xD When it comes to raising cash, things change, I remember once cash raise happened immediately after their value had increased much in a short interval, so it made sense to raise. And looking back, with the company being worth 666B now, they've done a lot of right calls, but of course some wrong one…

>so it made sense to raise

It totally makes sense, I agree. Just seems odd to say we won't, and then do, repeatedly.

>And it's a myth that Tesla doesn't do any profit. For example last quarter Tesla got around 354M in regulatory credits (this is what the anti-tesla crowd likes to point out) but the net income was 1.14B.

It's only a myth if you don't actually examine the underlying accounting. Regulatory credits, realizing deferred revenue on FSD (which doesn't exist), expanding the accounts payable, cutting R&D, bitcoin speculation...

All of these things affect the income statement in a way that pumps income that may or may not even be sustainable. All so people will say "look, profits!"

Are they marginally profitable now? Maybe, but that's nothing to brag about at a market cap of over half a trillion dollars.

>not like the oil industry hasn't had it's insane amount of subsides over the years.

So, what's your point here? Did I say oil companies deserve subsidies? Am I looking at the financials of Exxon? Being as how Tesla vehicles have tires, plastics, a supply chain...they also benefit from oil subsidies. What does this have to do with anything?

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We already have the technology to send people to Mars. We sent people on round trips to the moon 50 years ago, so a one way ticket to Mars now isn't really that hard. What we don't have is cost effective technology to send enough people and equipment for a permanent colony there. But at this point it's really just working on getting cost down (which Musk has done beautifully so far), we have a pretty good idea of how…

"We sent people on round trips to the moon 50 years ago, so a one way ticket to Mars now isn't really that hard." IDK, man, life support systems for such a long trip are much more demanding than for a jaunt to Moon and back.

For sure, they need to last longer which means more supplies and more reliability. But we also got 50 years of progress since Apollo 11, and we wouldn't don't need to pack a return vehicle and its propellant.

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I like Musk, and I've been following his progress since 2011. I always thought he seemed very intelligent and seemed to really understand what he was doing. However I have to agree with the person you are replying to. There has been the sort of myth going around that making rockets is hard. It used to be hard... 50 years ago. That is literally the technology Musk has been using for the last 20 years: 50 year old tech…

I'm no Musk fan but this > If he had never pursued reusability he would have made far, far more money from his launch business. Strikes me as short term thinking and not true, also. The plan is to sell tickets at $400,000 each to get to Mars. There doesn't seem to be any way to achieve that without reusability. The money to be made from founding the first Mars colony supplied with reusable rockets completely dwarfs s…

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I feel people said the same thing about him for SpaceX and Tesla back when he was just the wacky PayPal guy. Remember SpaceX's first launch was in 2006 (before the iPhone existed!) and it's only started getting really serious traction in the past 5 years. Elon's no stranger to things that don't have any "useful form" for well over a decade. I'm quite certain he's aware of the realistic timelines, and he sells a diffe…

I like Musk, and I've been following his progress since 2011. I always thought he seemed very intelligent and seemed to really understand what he was doing. However I have to agree with the person you are replying to. There has been the sort of myth going around that making rockets is hard. It used to be hard... 50 years ago. That is literally the technology Musk has been using for the last 20 years: 50 year old tech…

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The point is they needed to make multiple significant independent breakthroughs in established fields. Turing like a lot of pioneers is seriously overrated. When surrounded by low hanging fruit it’s easy to seemingly make a great deal of progress especially when your credited with formalizing existing ideas or making that one last step into usefulness. Einstein actually pushed boundaries in a well established field w…

Thanks for proving my point. As I said, listing out names just means that people are going to try to say why those people are less impressive. As for Musk's accomplishments, I don't find them to be very impressive or interesting.

The requirement to list someone isn’t to judge that person it’s to judge your standard and demonstrate a flaw in your argument.

Purely objectively, Musk is the second richest person on the planet to the possible exclusion of dictators. That in and of it’s self is rarified air. Winning the silver in say diving isn’t nearly as impressive simply because the is so much less competition. The Marathon is perhaps a closer analogy except that’s a more question of genetic gifts than pure grit.

Doing that and starting a single business like Bill Gates is a true accomplishment, but he’s done multiple independent and highly successful companies. That’s rarified air over the history of humanity.

You personally might not value such things, but that’s simply not an objective standard. Doing that and only making high speed low latency global internet available around the world would be enough on it’s own to be worth talking about. This isn’t a small thing a lot of people failed to tackle the exact same problem. Except Starlink alone isn’t what people think about which is a sign of just how much the guy got done.

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You've left out manufacturing. Building a car factory + supply chain is quite the challenge. Tesla had the best and the brightest - I've worked with them before they were acquired by Tesla on a daily basis: https://teslagrohmannautomation.de/en/ and still had trouble scaling. Manufacturing is considered to be one of the hardest things about building cars - electric or not. Edit: What's with the downvotes? Disagree? C…

> Building a car factory + supply chain is quite the challenge And yet Elon announced to the world he was going to have the most automated factory in the world, the machine that builds machines, and that the factory was the actual product. People lapped this up. 2 years later they were hand-assembling cars in a tent. Now do you see the problem? > Manufacturing is considered to be one of the hardest things about build…

I was responding to the comment above mine that didn’t mention manufacturing but pretty much everything else. It might be obvious to you but general populace have no idea about difficulty of manufacturing. Some engineers haven’t got a clue on what goes into building things by millions.

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The vehicle thing is exactly what boggles me about this. Are you saying that the humanoid will be driving cars/forklifts/bullsozers? What exactly do you mean that its important that a robot interacting with a vehicle is humanoid?

Yes, in addition to everything else, it could drive vehicles.

Ok. I am wrong in my predictions a lot but this seems way more complicated than just having a computer interface on a bulldozer or whatever - especially given a lot of the cost to operate them is already one of liability

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This won’t be vaporware forever. Seeing the latest from Boston Dynamics makes that abundantly clear. The utility for general purpose robots is immense in difficult environments like the surface of Mars, where O2 wouldn’t be needed. I anticipate a small number of companies making the hardware, and a large, diverse workforce training, supervising, and maintaining android fleets for a variety of tasks. The legal system…

Interesting. Maybe Tesla Bot will be on the first test mission to mars.

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Tesla is quite literally selling a package called "Full Self-Driving". I don't see how it has not been "rolled out yet" unless you're confusing Tesla's bullshit marketing lingo for level 5 autonomous driving.

It’s described as a future feature that you can prepay for though.

What, in the fine print after the giant "FULL-SELF DRIVING CAPABILITY" banners?
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