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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it worth continuing to push sex workers into illegality, thereby putting them in danger? Put another way, do we have a right to sacrifice one population to protect another? Allow me to doubt it.

Is it really the case that most OnlyFans girls would turn to more dangerous things like prostitution? It kinda feels like OnlyFans has somewhat normalized/popularized young women going from Instagram 'influencer' (sometimes starting underage unfortunately, HS kids use it) to pornstar, for young women who otherwise probably wouldn't have entered the world of porn if it weren't for the fact that the hot Instagram girl…

I think those are young women, going from webcam and porn studios to their own indie production, receiving more money from their work and removing shady guys who organized porn studios both from production and their cut.

Everybody won there.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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At least this explains why normal porn sites keep living on perfectly well using MasterCard and Visa. They already have to follow regulatory requirements to demonstrate they are complying with age and consent laws, each video includes a front-matter frame saying where you can get the documentation of their compliance, and many include behind-the-scenes extra content showing all of the performers presenting government…

If that's the case why can't OF impose these requirements on their creators?

Presumably because of the costs of verification and record keeping.

A single adult video studio might have a maximum of a few hundred people who they have to keep records for. Those people are paid per shoot, and the content is owned by the studio. There is a high ratio of revenue to number of people whose records must be kept.

On OnlyFans, they have a huge amount of people producing a small volume of content and making very little money, of which they only get a cut.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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Seen this thread going around, but it seems like it skips over the important bit. > So why the rule changes? Because last December the New York Times published an opinion piece by Nick Kristof caller “The Children of Pornhub” that accused the site and its parent company of profiting off revenge porn, child porn and sex trafficking. How do you get from 'opinion piece in a newspaper' to 'gigantic transnational financia…

It's the same crap as the ad-pocalypse.

Journalists with an agenda use a disingenuous tactic, if they have a problem with a person or entity, they'll call up their sponsors, business partners, vendors, etc, and say "we're writing an article on X's platform which has been found to have (controversial material framed in a negative context), are we to believe that you're supportive and would your company care to comment." This leads to the company panicking, going completely defensive, and killing all contracts, services, and pulling sponsors or place of employment from the person whose being targeted in what is often just a hit piece with unverified out of context accusations. So yes, journalists, especially those that work for outlets like the NYT's can have someone's sponsors, money streams, etc pulled out from them by asking so called "innocent" questions in a passive aggressive way. They've done this numerous times not even giving those accused to respond, sometimes the article never even comes out. It's one of the abuses of power you can see in journalism today, where agenda driven journalism is used as a weapon to get someone removed from society, bank accounts closed, etc. Some targets are too big for it to work, or can lose a few sponsors, but they do it all the time.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

#144

How far away is crypto from being a viable alternative payment processor? The problems I see are the translation layer between fiat and crypto, the fluctuation of value of tokens, the long confirmation process of many tokens, the environmental impact, and the physical infrastructure (atms, etc). Each individual problems seems solvable, and it would be a significant historical event if banking was moved to these decen…

We are mostly there.

Environmental impact is mitigated by newer proof of stake tokens. Cardano, Solano, Polkadot. Also, Ethereum is moving to proof of stake eventually as well.

Slow confirmation times are also solved by these same coins. Even ETH with proof of work has a quick confirmation time. Also, for payments over the internet, confirmation time is not a big deal. It's more an issue when buying something in person.

Price fluctuation is an issue, but we do have stablecoins. However, there are only a few.

We do need ATMs, but that also does not matter for online payments.

Fiat to crypto translation layer is probably the main issue in regards to online payments. However, setting up an account on Coinbase or Binance is pretty similar to setting up a PayPal account. Then you can pay any merchant with a QR code or address or whatever, using any of the coins Coinbase supports.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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post #94

I've never heard a good argument against prostitution. The arguments that I hear are against trafficking, rape, child molestation; which are all non-sequiturs: true and valid statements that do not support the argument itself. Can anyone here argue against prostitution per se? I'll listen.

It's said to objectify women. More specifically, the Johns are treating women's bodies as something that can be traded commercially. The more that is normalised, the more it damages all women - not just prostitutes.

If you don't think objectifying women harms them, then that's not a "good" argument, I guess.

FTR, I'm against laws controlling consensual sex. Not all harmful behaviour should be criminalised.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

#146

The world really needs an alternative to these tweet serials. They're extremely annoying to read.

The world has an alternative since the web was born. Just host HTML page somewhere. Those who use twitter just don't care about their readers convenience. That's why I generally avoid any twitter links.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

#147
It was informative and then it started stuff like this:

> Almost the entire anti-trafficking movement is an Evangelical project to get liberal supporters to sign off on a laundry list of Christian anti-sex policies. It’s been one of their most successful propaganda projects. It’s also likely gotten a lot of sex workers killed.

I'm libertarian, do what you want with your body or money but know the risks. That said, someone could also argue that making it more difficult to sell your porn or get involved in the seedier parts of this PROBABLY stopped some people from ruining their lives, staying off drugs, etc.

Again, don't like either argument, but there are two "probably" sides to this.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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post #94

I've never heard a good argument against prostitution. The arguments that I hear are against trafficking, rape, child molestation; which are all non-sequiturs: true and valid statements that do not support the argument itself. Can anyone here argue against prostitution per se? I'll listen.

A generic argument: prostitution allows woman without any skills to earn plenty of money which might convince women do go this way even if they don't really enjoy it. The same argument could be made about IT. Prostitutes sell their private parts, programmers sell their brains.

Earning money without enjoying it is what coalminers and rubbish-collectors do. People who enjoy their jobs are the lucky ones.

Re: A lot of people are getting the OnlyFans story wrong

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post #94

I've never heard a good argument against prostitution. The arguments that I hear are against trafficking, rape, child molestation; which are all non-sequiturs: true and valid statements that do not support the argument itself. Can anyone here argue against prostitution per se? I'll listen.

This is just an opinion from a real world example:

I've done some stripping when I was young. I did it because my gf was doing it and was making a lot of money. This was the only way we could make good money without breaking the law.

I've met the most broken and scummy people there is during that time. It ultimately broke our 7 year relationship. You pay an emotional price for making easy money. You have to be very stable to be able to endure that kind of work over time as you deal with a lot of broken people doing very intimate work. Drugs are very accessible and an easy fix to deal with the emotional toll.

People who can work in this industry for more than a year and leave unhurt probably belong in the 1% IMO.

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