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Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by perardi »

andy_ppp wrote: post #568

Does anyone else here feel the Onlyfans phenomenon is just exploiting sad lonely men who’d be better off leaving the house, doing some exercise and trying to eat healthier and build their IRL social networks? This whole cam-girls making a fortune this way seems somehow more dishonest than normal porn to me, maybe because it’s about these guys (who can never have relationships with these women) building a personal and…

Well among other things: way to utterly and entirely ignore the LGBT creators on there who are making money but also creating erotic content for their communities.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by acchow »

devrand wrote: post #403
tmp_anon_22 wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes, the payment processors will bark at the porn site. Move to a more expensive processor for that site only, pay 5%, 10% fee, it doesn't really matter, it's free money. If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever ca…

My understanding is that this industry has way higher than average chargeback/fraud rates, which is really what discourages payment processors/banks from wanting to support them.

Why can't the payment processor just come to an agreement with OnlyFans to hold back some reserve funds to cover the high chargeback/fraud rate?

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by actually_a_dog »

Alex3917 wrote: post #532
actually_a_dog wrote: post #519

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever can operate beyond those constraints, which is kind of a sad state of affairs for free speech, separation of church and state, and policing in general. Welcome to the "free(…

> They do it simply because of risk and to protect their corporate image. They're only allowed to operate because they're licensed by the government, and the government can yank their license at any time.

Okay, so, let me ask you a question: there are payment processors that process adult transactions; has a single one had its license pulled because of that? I can't find a single instance of that happening, only more instances of adult content providers being targeted this way: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/03/payment-processors-are...

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by CamperBob2 »

claudiawerner wrote: post #471
CamperBob2 wrote: post #234

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Patreon went one step further - if you post content against Patreon's rules anywhere else, even if you don't link to it, if Patreon finds out, they'll ask you to stop doing it, and threaten to suspend your account if you keep doing it. That sounds outrageous. Is there a link to more info about this policy?

The only example I remember was a little less bad, but still pretty bad in my opinion - the artist in question uploaded contra-TOS artwork on his Twitter account, and had a link to his Twitter account from Patreon. However, Patreon's own terms of service state that they look where traffic is coming from to see what kind of things you're funding with the money, and can ban you on that alone: > Because you are raising…

Because you are raising funds on Patreon, we may be held accountable for what you do with those funds

Wow.

That is not good. Any hypothetical employer could justify any hypothetical abuse using that rationale.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by LandR »

DantesKite wrote: post #540
tmp_anon_22 wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes, the payment processors will bark at the porn site. Move to a more expensive processor for that site only, pay 5%, 10% fee, it doesn't really matter, it's free money. If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever ca…

Do you think prostitution should be legal?

I think this is a tough one, and I'm not sure where I stand on this.

On the one hand I don't think the government should be able to tell you what you can and can't do with your body. If you want to sell your body, you should be able to.

But on the other hand, if you legalise it then you open the door to people being exploited, and I'm aware that people are exploited now in prostitution, obviously, but I feel if it's legal it might be harder to punish those that do.

So maybe on balance it's better for it to be illegal if it protects at least some people.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by biztos »

tmp_anon_22 wrote: post #330
yholio wrote: post #279

I can understand the business reasons for cleaning up the OnlyFans brand. But I can't, for the life of me, understand why they are killing a cash cow instead of spining it off into a side business. Clone the full experience on a dedicated site, OnlyFantasy.com, duplicate the whole userbase, and give a simple warning that I can find my favorite stars on another site. In time, the user bases will diverge naturally depe…

> Yes, the payment processors will bark at the porn site. Move to a more expensive processor for that site only, pay 5%, 10% fee, it doesn't really matter, it's free money. If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever ca…

It really seems weird to me that with all the countries that allow various forms of sex work, payment processing is still such a bottleneck.

As I understand it, independent providers doing 100% legal work in their countries live in terror of their payments being cut off due to the factors mentioned above.

Where is the CoinBase of legal erotica?

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by ev1 »

jhgb wrote: post #401
zdragnar wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free speech, separation of church and state has nothing to do with it. Not wanting to be associated with rape, child and revenge porn (variations on non-consent) is all it is. User submitted content is so much harder to verify facts about (consent in particular) and as long as the user submitted content is sexual in nature, it is legal plutonium.

> User submitted content is so much harder to verify facts about That doesn't seem to be stopping e-Bay and such. I don't believe that payment processors have any idea what are people buying and selling.

As of this year you can no longer sell on eBay without going through full KYC, including SSN (not EIN), providing a physical bank account, etc. If you are selling as a company, including a multi-owner or multi-person company you are still required to provide full personal details for the people involved and any beneficial owners.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by mtnGoat »

tmp_anon_22 wrote: post #330
yholio wrote: post #279

I can understand the business reasons for cleaning up the OnlyFans brand. But I can't, for the life of me, understand why they are killing a cash cow instead of spining it off into a side business. Clone the full experience on a dedicated site, OnlyFantasy.com, duplicate the whole userbase, and give a simple warning that I can find my favorite stars on another site. In time, the user bases will diverge naturally depe…

> Yes, the payment processors will bark at the porn site. Move to a more expensive processor for that site only, pay 5%, 10% fee, it doesn't really matter, it's free money. If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever ca…

PH is having problems due to so much "user uploaded" content that they can not verify the identity of the actors contained within. The difference now is that Mastercard is enforcing the rules rather than the US Government which had USC2257 in place for many years with the same requirements. The difference this time is that MC is global(and controls these sites income) and USGov is not, so MC is actually able to enforce this. Adult content sites with their IDs in order(as all US based ones should have already) will have no problem under the new rules. It's not a closing down of the business its actual enforcement of rules that have been on the books for 20+ years by a private entity instead of the lax USGov.

Lets be real, if PH had a way to take monies without having to clean up to save face for the card issuers, it would still be business as usual.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by bambax »

dweekly wrote: post #126

It sure sounds like this was forced on them by their payment processors, not that this was a voluntary move. https://twitter.com/danprimack/status/1428420774449266691?s=...

It may be so, but they won't need payment processors once they don't have payments, or users.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by GuB-42 »

> In order to ensure the long-term sustainability of our platform, and the continue to host an inclusive community of creators and fans, we must evolve our content guidelines

So, they are trying to get inclusive by excluding most of their community...

I understand it is bullshit and the only reason they do it is because porn is a difficult investment, with a lot of credit card fraud and limited opportunities for partnership. But still, OnlyFans made a name for itself with porn, and even managed the impressive feat of staying mostly clean regarding abuse and copyright infringement.

It is a difficult niche to fit in, but by abandoning it, they will compete with everyone else, including Google, Facebook, etc... and I don't think they will stand a chance. It is like, say, a shop that sells craft beer next to Walmart. Craft beer suppliers may be unreliable, have limited stock, with wild variation in quality, etc... it is much easier to deal with large industrial breweries, but if you stop selling craft beer because it is too hard, people will not buy your new, "guaranteed profit" industrial beer, they will go to Walmart, because Walmart if bigger and can negotiate lower prices, and people can get their beers with their groceries. The only reason the craft beer shop can make money is because they do the kind of thing Walmart refuses to do.

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