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Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by isatty »

dhosek wrote: post #315
jpeter wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should payment processors force them to. They will make less money

Some years ago I interviewed with a company that served as a payment risk processor for high-risk businesses (in short, porn). The chargeback rate on online porn is huge . As a result, where a traditional payment processor may be 1.3–3.5% depending on the business and the assessed risk, for a high-risk business, the rate can be much much higher. While Onlyfans keeps 20%, I'm guessing that they'd be badly hurt if they…

> I'm sure they've looked at their numbers and they find the non-porn providers are more profitable to them, especially if it means they can lower their processing fees.

I highly doubt this. There’s like no way a site that’s known for porn makes more money on what Patreon does. 99.999% impossible.

> Booting the porn providers will likely also make it easier to recruit more non-porn providers.

Pornhub can allow regular content but nobody is going to ditch YouTube, especially PG content creators, because of the name association.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by Alex3917 »

actually_a_dog wrote: post #519
tmp_anon_22 wrote: post #330

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> Yes, the payment processors will bark at the porn site. Move to a more expensive processor for that site only, pay 5%, 10% fee, it doesn't really matter, it's free money. If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever ca…

> If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever can operate beyond those constraints, which is kind of a sad state of affairs for free speech, separation of church and state, and policing in general. Welcome to the "free(…

> They do it simply because of risk and to protect their corporate image.

They're only allowed to operate because they're licensed by the government, and the government can yank their license at any time.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by wonderwonder »

skrtskrt wrote: post #94

This is going to be corporate suicide on a greater scale than Tumblr's policy. I say greater because OnlyFans is/was still on a massive upswing whereas Tumblr was 10 years past its peak already when the nails went in the coffin. Edit: I understand this is supposedly not their choice.

I honestly did not know they did anything besides porn. They have a really bad marketing department as I bet most people only know of them via porn (or I run in a slightly more degenerate circle).

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by throwaway5752 »

paxys wrote: post #480
throwaway5752 wrote: post #328

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With all due respect, the fact that anyone is forced into porn to get housing be safe from abusive partners is the indictment of a society. I get that it's a de facto situation for some, but let's not drop the onus on "morality police", payment processors, and OnlyFans for a massive societal failure to help vulnerable people. You could take that argument as far as you want (prostitution, drug sales, etc). There is so…

A huge chunk of the planet is forced into jobs they don't like to provide for themselves and their families. What's so "dignifying" about a job getting humiliated by entitled customers in retail or waitressing for minimum wage or breaking your body doing hard manual labor? Religious morality is the only reason a much more safe, comfortable and lucrative option like OnlyFans is banned.

I think you should accept some people think of it differently.

And let's be frank here. OF is probably a viable financial opportunity - on average - for a small number of more attractive that normal people, and it's probably weighted towards younger women. I'd love to have hard data to present to you, but I can't find it.

I have literally zero problem with people who want to use OF to support themselves. However, let's agree 1) that some people for whom it would be a viable financial option find it objectionable and 2) it's a less viable financial option for some, even if they don't find it objectionable.

I think that groups 1 & 2 in there should still be able to work a 40 hour job and pay for food and rent, and still be able to save something to retire if they want to. And they probably should fear starving or dying of exposure even if they don't have a job.

Call it unrealistic, but I prefer to fix that problem, too.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by stale2002 »

ribosometronome wrote: post #256
jwond wrote: post #221

It seems a lot of people in this post are opposed to payment processors pressuring OnlyFans to do this. When Google, Apple, Amazon, et al. simultaneously took actions that resulted in the shutdown of Gab it seemed a lot of people supported it. Now they could very well be completely disjoint groups, but I’d be interested if anyone who opposes the payment processors pressuring OnlyFans but supported the actions taken a…

Are you surprised folk agree with things that fit their morals and disagree with ones that don't? Gab was being used to promote hate, violence, and misinformation. Onlyfans is not those things. This feels akin to saying something like, "Oh, you were onboard when the government criminalized murder, how do you feel now that they're criminalizing weed?!"

The point is that people who talk about a slippery slope were correct.

The more that you let large and powerful organizations, get away with targeting groups that you don't like, the more likely that those powerful organizations are going to be able to turn the guns on you, or your favorite cause, when public opinion doesn't go your way.

Neutral platforms, that don't discrimination, protects your enemies as well as your self. The slippery slope is real.

The people who oppose neutral platforms have made their bed. Now we'll see if they change their mind once they have to lay in it.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by redisman »

Tenoke wrote: post #421
zz865 wrote: post #385

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It also highlights the lack of anonymity with crypto - everyone gets to see what you spend money on.

This is a massive exaggeration. I've spent a fair amount of crypto without trying to hide it, please tell me what on. Maybe the state can find my addresses with a bit more effort than they can find my CC purchases but random people or friends and family not so much unless I want them to.

The issue is likely that if there are hacks and leaks of wallet addresses tied to personas from a exchange for example then someone can build a tree pretty easily off of that

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by marvin »

cbdumas wrote: post #454
perardi wrote: post #207

Wow, you spend years thinking crypto is convoluted nonsense…and then something comes along that impacts a lot of your friends, and you start to change your mind. I have a fair number† of friends and acquaintances who have OnlyFans. Some for side income, some for a substantial portion of their livelihood. And to see that get taken away because the payment processors want them to fall in line…I guess I’m on the crypto…

The fact that OnlyFans isn't even trying to move to crypto to keep their business alive is a stunning indictment of the state of crypto as a viable payment method.

Couldn't the explanation be as simple as them lacking imagination? They're not a Silicon Valley funded startup. My impression is they lucked into the golden goose, and this move makes me think they're downright clueless about their options when things get adversarial.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by burnished »

jessaustin wrote: post #368
tmp_anon_22 wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes, the payment processors will bark at the porn site. Move to a more expensive processor for that site only, pay 5%, 10% fee, it doesn't really matter, it's free money. If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever ca…

Eventually this will just drive BTC adoption. Perhaps OF had a reason not to go with this option, but other parties will step up.

Gonna be hard to get people to spend a speculative asset, too many people had a couple bitcoins years ago (and everyone had the chance) kicking themselves, I think, for it to be seen as money.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by redisman »

wonderwonder wrote: post #533
skrtskrt wrote: post #94

This is going to be corporate suicide on a greater scale than Tumblr's policy. I say greater because OnlyFans is/was still on a massive upswing whereas Tumblr was 10 years past its peak already when the nails went in the coffin. Edit: I understand this is supposedly not their choice.

I honestly did not know they did anything besides porn. They have a really bad marketing department as I bet most people only know of them via porn (or I run in a slightly more degenerate circle).

Not at all. If someone told anyone I know they have a onlyfans, I can’t think of anyone who would assume anything other than porn

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by DantesKite »

tmp_anon_22 wrote: post #330
yholio wrote: post #279

I can understand the business reasons for cleaning up the OnlyFans brand. But I can't, for the life of me, understand why they are killing a cash cow instead of spining it off into a side business. Clone the full experience on a dedicated site, OnlyFantasy.com, duplicate the whole userbase, and give a simple warning that I can find my favorite stars on another site. In time, the user bases will diverge naturally depe…

> Yes, the payment processors will bark at the porn site. Move to a more expensive processor for that site only, pay 5%, 10% fee, it doesn't really matter, it's free money. If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever ca…

Do you think prostitution should be legal?
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