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Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by spideymans »

paxys wrote: post #480
throwaway5752 wrote: post #328

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With all due respect, the fact that anyone is forced into porn to get housing be safe from abusive partners is the indictment of a society. I get that it's a de facto situation for some, but let's not drop the onus on "morality police", payment processors, and OnlyFans for a massive societal failure to help vulnerable people. You could take that argument as far as you want (prostitution, drug sales, etc). There is so…

A huge chunk of the planet is forced into jobs they don't like to provide for themselves and their families. What's so "dignifying" about a job getting humiliated by entitled customers in retail or waitressing for minimum wage or breaking your body doing hard manual labor? Religious morality is the only reason a much more safe, comfortable and lucrative option like OnlyFans is banned.

Exactly. People talk as if these girls are oblivious to the fact that they can work some shitty minimum wage jobs.

I totally get their mindset. If it wasn’t for my own residual sexual conservatism, I’d much rather be an OnlyFans sex worker than some underpaid wage slave.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by cryptonector »

skrtskrt wrote: post #94

This is going to be corporate suicide on a greater scale than Tumblr's policy. I say greater because OnlyFans is/was still on a massive upswing whereas Tumblr was 10 years past its peak already when the nails went in the coffin. Edit: I understand this is supposedly not their choice.

TFA:

> OnlyFans is getting out of the pornography business.

HN:

  s/of the pornography //

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by devrand »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #482
devrand wrote: post #403

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My understanding is that this industry has way higher than average chargeback/fraud rates, which is really what discourages payment processors/banks from wanting to support them.

Though whether that's a convenient excuse for prudishness or not, we'll never know (because you can't collect data on chargebacks if you don't allow any sex sites to make charges in the first place). Banks are notoriously risk-averse. This is a disruption waiting to happen for the first person who can crack handling sex-worker credit card payments despite the banks.

True, but I think there's obvious legs to it. Some common reasons for fraud are:

* Laundering money (buy accounts with stolen cards, sell them using crypto to people who don't want to be associated with the accounts).

* People falsely claiming fraud to cover up the payments (ex. a spouse finding out about them).

* More specific to OF, people paying for private/custom content and then filing a chargeback.

I think people being prudish is kind of what allows this market to be ripe with fraud. I'm not sure there's a way to "disrupt" this industry using credit cards just due to the inherent tendency for fraud in the market.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by jazzyjackson »

t-writescode wrote: post #476
jazzyjackson wrote: post #33

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To be more specific, it was a direct competitor to Patreon, but patreon banned porn and onlyfans didn’t, thus the market differentiation.

Patreon has decidedly 18+ content on it. It even has 18+ interstitial pages to make sure you’re 18+

From Patreon Support:

While we allow nudity and for creators to push the boundaries of art, we also have guidelines against funding pornography on patreon. In our community guidelines: We define pornographic material as real people engaging in sexual acts such as masturbation or sexual intercourse on camera.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Post by belter »

skrtskrt wrote: post #94

This is going to be corporate suicide on a greater scale than Tumblr's policy. I say greater because OnlyFans is/was still on a massive upswing whereas Tumblr was 10 years past its peak already when the nails went in the coffin. Edit: I understand this is supposedly not their choice.

This is the least of their problems and I am amazed none of their executives is not yet in jail:

"The children selling explicit videos on OnlyFans"

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57255983

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Post by zokula »

smt88 wrote: post #341
tmp_anon_22 wrote: post #330

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> Yes, the payment processors will bark at the porn site. Move to a more expensive processor for that site only, pay 5%, 10% fee, it doesn't really matter, it's free money. If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever ca…

I totally agree that OnlyFans is a legitimate and ethical site, but let's not kid ourselves about PornHub. It was mostly pirated content with a lot of videos of people being harmed.

Nobody was being harmed on Pornhub. Don't feed the lying anti-sex work media.

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Post by stale2002 »

rodneyg_ wrote: post #249
toomuchtodo wrote: post #125

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Oh god I can’t believe I’m going to say this. Crypto/Bitcoin, in keeping with the relationship the Internet and adult content have. Congrats Coinbase, Venmo, and others enabling censorship resistant crypto payments on your revenue bump.

Coinbase, Venmo, and others are not enabling censorship resistant crypto payments. Coinbase does track who and where you send your crypto to, so in theory they can control what you do with it. The workaround would be to send your crypto to wallets not associated with them, even still.

> so in theory they can control what you do with it.

And yet, that isn't happening to the same degree as visa or mastercard.

So, for whatever reason, visa and mastercard are currently, successfully, forcing OnlyFans to do this kind of policy change, whereas coinbase is not.

When the actual rubber meets the road, crypto is defacto, not as censored as visa or mastercard.

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Post by actually_a_dog »

tmp_anon_22 wrote: post #330
yholio wrote: post #279

I can understand the business reasons for cleaning up the OnlyFans brand. But I can't, for the life of me, understand why they are killing a cash cow instead of spining it off into a side business. Clone the full experience on a dedicated site, OnlyFantasy.com, duplicate the whole userbase, and give a simple warning that I can find my favorite stars on another site. In time, the user bases will diverge naturally depe…

> Yes, the payment processors will bark at the porn site. Move to a more expensive processor for that site only, pay 5%, 10% fee, it doesn't really matter, it's free money. If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever ca…

> If PH is having trouble processing any form of credit card, a smaller company will have no chance at all. We're seeing a sterilization of legitimate porn on the internet, done by legitimate tax paying western companies. It'll be left to whoever can operate beyond those constraints, which is kind of a sad state of affairs for free speech, separation of church and state, and policing in general.

Welcome to the "free(ish) market." As I've said before, people love to say they're in favor of the "free market," until they get one. There is no law preventing any payment processor from accepting clients in the adult content space. They do it simply because of risk and to protect their corporate image.

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Post by zdragnar »

neolog wrote: post #466
zdragnar wrote: post #382

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Free speech, separation of church and state has nothing to do with it. Not wanting to be associated with rape, child and revenge porn (variations on non-consent) is all it is. User submitted content is so much harder to verify facts about (consent in particular) and as long as the user submitted content is sexual in nature, it is legal plutonium.

A lot of the attacks against amateur porn and sex work are by religious groups masking their actual motive by focusing on consent verification. Verification raises the barrier and makes performers much more vulnerable since their legal identities are attached to their work. https://newrepublic.com/article/160488/nick-kristof-holy-war...

So what? There are legitimate arguments to having consent verification, and the things they prevent are about as far from victimless crimes as you can get- what happens on the internet, stays on the internet, leading to a lifetime of re-victimization.

Just because people you don't like are for something does not mean that you must automatically be against it.

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