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Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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It's not like they have a choice. Their business was only ever viable at the behest of their payment provider. The reason no one has made an OnlyFans before, and the reason why people have tried and failed, entirely comes down to this.

How do sites like Pornhub get paid then? Why can't OnlyFans switch to whatever provider they use?

Didn't they had the same problem a few months ago or so?

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Why should payment processors force them to. They will make less money

Probably the reputational risk to them from being associated with porn is not worth whatever OnlyFans brings in.

Payment processors and financial institutions like to use the (IMO mostly political) cover of "AML regulations" to decline service to sex workers and sex worker-adjacent businesses. Prior to the internet and OnlyFans there was at least a tenuous connection: sex work was a cash business and all cash businesses are at "higher" risk for money laundering. Pizza shops, nail salons, car washes, etc. Of course the pizza shops and nail salons and car washes still get to open bank accounts even though they're subject to higher scrutiny behind the scenes.

But that pretext for excluding sex workers from banking and payment processing really falls apart with OnlyFans. These are small, repeated, digital payments that are highly traceable because they're coming from and going to known people. And the existence of the underlying work product is easily verifiable: are the accounts actively posting content or not?

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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So why do you think they decided to ban sexually explicit content rather than use cryptocurrency?

because the payment providers have 99% of market share?

and 99% of their revenue was from porn so i guess this business-ending decision is close to cryptopayment-parity

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Patreon made similar decisions about four years ago when they began to tighten their terms for NSFW creators. https://www.engadget.com/2017-10-27-patreon-adult-content-cr... Much of the pressure came from payment processing partners and banks, much like is described in this article. https://www.vice.com/en/article/vbqwwj/patreon-suspension-of... It seems like for any crowdsourced funding platform there is a volume ca…

Patreon went one step further - if you post content against Patreon's rules anywhere else, even if you don't link to it, if Patreon finds out, they'll ask you to stop doing it, and threaten to suspend your account if you keep doing it.

This is why many people who post fetish-y art (even stuff like mind-control kink) moved from Patreon to SubscribeStar. Even erotic roleplay site F-List moved to SubscribeStar.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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This seems incredibly odd given that OnlyFan's primary payment processor is CCBill, a massive payment processor focused solely on adult content. Here is opportunity #3928 for Stripe to step in and earn their valuation and flex their payment muscle and allow adult payments.

Stripe's hands are tied - they need financial services to operate and banks (and CC processors) are the ones pushing down these puritanical values.

Could be wrong, but I think it's less puritanical, and more that transactions with these types of vendors are overwhelmingly fraudulent and charged-back. It's a big liability for the processors.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Why should there be? It seems absurd to MANDATE anyone participate in the sex trade. There are payment processors who specialize in adult content.

morality is relative.... next stop it is strip clubs, then hooters being banned? Payment processors provide a utility. They should have the right not to process illegal transactions and illegal activities. But as long as the activity is legal, it shouldn't be up to them to police morality. They should be treated like utilities. If we go down this path, the city's water and electric utilities can decide to shut down t…

There are a couple practical reasons why they wouldn't want to: high risk of fraud or chargebacks and difficulty keeping on top of content that veers into illegality spring to mind immediately.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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This is going to be corporate suicide on a greater scale than Tumblr's policy. I say greater because OnlyFans is/was still on a massive upswing whereas Tumblr was 10 years past its peak already when the nails went in the coffin. Edit: I understand this is supposedly not their choice.

OF is a creator platform at heart and not necessarily tied to sexually explicit content except by reputation. There is a likely a huge non-porn market for helping creators of all types monetize their content. The question will be if they can actually get people to completely change their mind about what the platform is for.

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Why can PornHub successfully sell a premium porn service but OnlyFans cannot? Is it just the size of the company?

pornhub is having this issue exactly. They got PNG'd by all the payment processors. They only have crypto payment options now. My bet is pornhub is doing a lot worse now than they were before.

https://bravenewcoin.com/insights/pornhub-crypto-news

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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Why should there be? It seems absurd to MANDATE anyone participate in the sex trade. There are payment processors who specialize in adult content.

You know how US Dollars say “This note is legal tender for all debts” on them? It seems to absurd to allow companies with an oligopoly on most of the transfer of those notes to pick and choose what sectors are appropriate for citizens to interact with financially.

That's not what that means.

https://www.quora.com/On-every-US-dollar-bill-the-message-Th...

Re: OnlyFans to block sexually explicit videos starting in October

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post #185

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Probably the reputational risk to them from being associated with porn is not worth whatever OnlyFans brings in.

Why would OnlyFans not simply move to another payment processor then? This all seems a bit strange.

If the party pushing is Visa or Mastercard (of which 'other' processors like Paypal, Venmo, Cashapp are beholden to as well) that would only really leave cryptocurrency, which is a large barrier to taking payments and would likely mean >90% revenue loss anyways.

Reminder that payment processor pressure is what has caused a lot of (legal) art to be pushed off of Patreon[0].

0: https://www.vice.com/en/article/vbqwwj/patreon-suspension-of... (discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17432801 )

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