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Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for sex abuse

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Re: Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for sex abuse

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Post by joshstrange »

kemayo wrote: post #10

I want to ignore most of this article to complain about an inaccuracy that keeps coming up. > More broadly, they said the change will break end-to-end encryption for iMessage, which Apple has staunchly defended in other contexts. But... it wouldn't. The iMessage feature doesn't expose the contents of your message to anyone else under any circumstance. If you're a child under 13 and your parents have opted in to this…

Let's also not pretend that some of this confusion done is 100% willfully by some of the news organizations reporting on this because it benefits them to conflate the two. We even see it a little from places like EFF who appear to believe their ends justify the means.

Re: Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for sex abuse

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Post by robertoandred »

bobbob1921 wrote: post #4

Pretty clear cut for me: iMessage either offers robust end-to-end encryption , or it doesn’t. (Intentional backdoors place it in the latter ofcourse). I want true end to end enc.

iMessage already analyzes your messages to preview urls, show YouTube videos, highlight dates, etc. Are those also backdoors?

Re: Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for sex abuse

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Post by sandworm101 »

werber wrote: post #9

After seeing all these posts here and not hearing much about it outside of this space I’m starting to think that the cost benefit analysis that Apple did was that the profit from very likely convincing parents to spend a little more to get their children an iPhone as their first phone (and probably lock those children into their ecosystem) because of these features was greater than the amount of users who would switc…

I'm not sure we have an understanding of Apple's intentions. Given the massive backlash and the apparent maturity of their plans this must have been in the works for a while. They may have been under pressure from government actors to develop a program. Or they might see writing on the wall. Either way, I doubt they will ever share the total picture behind this move.

Re: Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for sex abuse

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Post by sigmar »

djrogers wrote: post #12
bobbob1921 wrote: post #4

Pretty clear cut for me: iMessage either offers robust end-to-end encryption , or it doesn’t. (Intentional backdoors place it in the latter ofcourse). I want true end to end enc.

How is it not still E2EE?

If a copy of your messages (even if it is only low resolution jpgs) get auto forwarded to Apple/FBI under certain circumstances it is not securely E2E encrypted

Re: Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for sex abuse

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Post by 238475235243 »

djrogers wrote: post #12
bobbob1921 wrote: post #4

Pretty clear cut for me: iMessage either offers robust end-to-end encryption , or it doesn’t. (Intentional backdoors place it in the latter ofcourse). I want true end to end enc.

How is it not still E2EE?

Maybe it's the expandable back door reporting mechanism that Apple wants to put in there?

Re: Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for sex abuse

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Post by [deleted] »

robertoandred wrote: post #13
bobbob1921 wrote: post #4

Pretty clear cut for me: iMessage either offers robust end-to-end encryption , or it doesn’t. (Intentional backdoors place it in the latter ofcourse). I want true end to end enc.

iMessage already analyzes your messages to preview urls, show YouTube videos, highlight dates, etc. Are those also backdoors?

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Re: Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for sex abuse

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Post by coconut_man »

robertoandred wrote: post #13
bobbob1921 wrote: post #4

Pretty clear cut for me: iMessage either offers robust end-to-end encryption , or it doesn’t. (Intentional backdoors place it in the latter ofcourse). I want true end to end enc.

iMessage already analyzes your messages to preview urls, show YouTube videos, highlight dates, etc. Are those also backdoors?

I don't think so, it doesn't really need to "analyze" your messages to do preview urls, show videos... Those are more like frontend stuff IMO

Re: Apple urged to drop plans to scan iMessages, images for sex abuse

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

werber wrote: post #9

After seeing all these posts here and not hearing much about it outside of this space I’m starting to think that the cost benefit analysis that Apple did was that the profit from very likely convincing parents to spend a little more to get their children an iPhone as their first phone (and probably lock those children into their ecosystem) because of these features was greater than the amount of users who would switc…

And the NN totally-offline¹ optional configurable check is a good thing! Heck, I'd've enabled it on my own phone if I had an iPhone; it'd've made me feel that much better about carrying an internet-connected camera around with me wherever I went, if I knew it'd warn me if I accidentally photographed myself naked (or somehow decided to do so deliberately, in a moment of foolishness).

They built two different systems, one that I think is good / that would be a selling point to parents, and one that could be a powerful weapon.

¹: The “notifying parents” thing is a little iffy; I'm not sure what to think about it.

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