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Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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Re: Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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Ah yes, the most important function of a car, the paint...

Rust is a thing.

Don't know if any Tesla car is aluminum, but Tesla Model P surely is.

Edit: Alright, maybe declining trend: https://electrek.co/2017/08/22/tesla-model-3-body-alloy-mix/

Re: Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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As a chip supplier, I'd be feeling a lot of pressure right now. In the short term you can squeeze and the tail can wag the dog for a bit. But longer term this opens the door wide open for new competitors in the market and / or vertical integration.

I've noticed that the shortage of chips is also strongly driven by speculators simply buying up everything in sight and trying to resell at multiples of the cost.

That is a whole different level - consumer retail as added middlemen. Manufacturers who include multiple in one project don't buy just retail which is oriented at one-at-a-time.

Re: Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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Toyota was one of the few (only?) companies to keep a large stockpile of chips on hand to continue production in case of a supply interruption. They kept something like two years worth on hand. I guess 18 months of doing the extremely heavy lifting for the whole industry has taken its toll and now they're in the same boat.

Maybe this is a dumb question, but does anyone still produce cars without chips? It's possible, and in the current environment it seems like it would be a major competitive advantage-- and might be more reliable in general.

"Without chips" is not really possible if you want to sell in first-world markets, way to many requirements (engine efficiency, safety features, ...) you would be hard-pressed to meet otherwise.

Re: Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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Toyota was one of the few (only?) companies to keep a large stockpile of chips on hand to continue production in case of a supply interruption. They kept something like two years worth on hand. I guess 18 months of doing the extremely heavy lifting for the whole industry has taken its toll and now they're in the same boat.

Most auto companies don't take delivery of chips except for managing production of a few key modules like engine controllers. Most of the chips in your car are in components made by suppliers with circuit boards often made by a second tier supplier. Combine that with many chips having no alternate and I don't see how Toyota could really stay exempt from this problem. OTOH not every chip maker is having trouble keepin…

Toyota doesn't have to physically hold the chips/modules to accomplish they. They have contracts with suppliers that lock in how much inventory the supplier has to have on hand, and how much supply they need locked in from their own upstream suppliers.

One criticism of Toyota's production system is that they aren't so much "just in time" as it sounds on the surface, rather they just force their suppliers to run the warehouse instead of them. Which still makes sense - Toyota wants to be in the car business, not the warehouse and logistics businesses.

Re: Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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Toyota was one of the few (only?) companies to keep a large stockpile of chips on hand to continue production in case of a supply interruption. They kept something like two years worth on hand. I guess 18 months of doing the extremely heavy lifting for the whole industry has taken its toll and now they're in the same boat.

Maybe this is a dumb question, but does anyone still produce cars without chips? It's possible, and in the current environment it seems like it would be a major competitive advantage-- and might be more reliable in general.

probably not, regulation and crack down on pollution from vehicles. Have you ever rode in an older car that uses a carburetor instead of fuel injection? Nothing like the crisp smell of gasoline in the morning... or anytime you drive it.

Re: Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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So new cars are going to be come more expensive due to supply limitations and in turn used cars will continue to become more expensive as they can rise to a certain % of the new car price. At the same time housing prices continue to sky rocket. Seems like not a great time for someone just stepping into adulthood and financial responsibility.

Re: Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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"Porsche will provide cars with ‘fake chips’ to reduce delivery times" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28042518

That makes no sense. I wonder what they mean by "fake" chips? Are they simply not placing the chip on the board, or are they using a footprint compatible different chip (unlikely), or are they completely redesigning the board with another chip which has much better availability? (most likely)

Or leaving out the infotainment system.

Re: Chip shortage: Toyota to cut global production by 40%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Toyota is not "sabotaging clean cars", only trying to delay regulations.

So not sabotaging, only obstructing. I'm so pissed at all the auto-makers (with the exception of Tesla). The writing has been on the wall for at least a decade in large neon letters, but they all seem taken by surprise that they suddenly have to produce electric cars.

Psst you can avoid all of those issues by not buying Toyota. Stop trying to regulate everyone else into what you want. If these EV's are so good it shouldn't be an issue at all.
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