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The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by sdoering »

andi999 wrote: post #4

Tried understanding Zettelkasten for a while, searched the internet, bought one/some books. But it was always too light on examples. I need full beefed out examples (like a 100 pages Zettelkasten) or let's say 10 pages. Of course you can say one doesn't need it, but isn't the value of any method to be benificial if done as designed? This article seems to be the closest of having good examples.

If you are able to read handwritten German, the whole Zettelkasten [1] of Niklas Luhmann [2] is online available. with an additional explanation of the method [3].

[1]: https://niklas-luhmann-archiv.de/bestand/zettelkasten/zettel...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niklas_Luhmann

[3]: https://niklas-luhmann-archiv.de/nachlass/zettelkasten

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by disabled »

mongol wrote: post #7
disabled wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is some obscenely expensive program for that (I have tried to search for traces of it online). I should do an advanced search again, using key words from the YouTube video below. The course is here: https://www.buildingasecondbrain.com/ Anyways, there is this guy who is really good at hacking life who describes it and took the course: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OP3dA2GcAh8 Anyways, his channel is interesti…

Did you take the course?

Absolutely not. But, I am really good at catching other people's plagiarism, including people who make entire livings off of such grifts. This course has a lot of obvious red flags of that, and I am curious where the original material came from in Creating a Second Brain.

This is one example of me finding some severe plagiarism where someone makes an entire living off of it: this Language Master "course" (https://www.languagementoring.com/courses/master/order/) which costs 990 EUR is basically this guide, "What do you need to know to learn a foreign language?": https://www.wgtn.ac.nz/lals/resources/paul-nations-resources...

Basically, the entire basis of her course is that above guide, but she creates video lessons for each section of the above linked guide with worksheets for each section (which you fill out to the videos). The only content that she adds that is substantiative in terms of work is language learning resources for X Y and Z languages, in terms of inputs/outputs.

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

#14

Post by gexla »

WA wrote: post #9

The verbosity around Zettelkasten baffles me. It is a simple system, but most posts explaining it are like 5,000 words long.

Seems like we see this everywhere. Bob is highly productive and comes up with a "system" which he uses to be productive. Bob probably would have been productive with any other system, he's just a productive guy. Joe reads Bob's book and picks up this system thinking he'll be just like Bob. The story ends with Joe giving up on his dreams and taking a day job entering data into spreadsheets.

Bob was smart though, he made his system look like magic and a cult developed around it. Now Bob has many fans, and the top of the ponzi-scheme is the people who have learned to speak the magic. These masters sell courses while the followers work to learn the magic, correcting and debating each other on Twitter.

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by hellothere1337 »

gexla wrote: post #14
WA wrote: post #9

The verbosity around Zettelkasten baffles me. It is a simple system, but most posts explaining it are like 5,000 words long.

Seems like we see this everywhere. Bob is highly productive and comes up with a "system" which he uses to be productive. Bob probably would have been productive with any other system, he's just a productive guy. Joe reads Bob's book and picks up this system thinking he'll be just like Bob. The story ends with Joe giving up on his dreams and taking a day job entering data into spreadsheets. Bob was smart though, he ma…

Seems like an underlying pattern of humanity. It happens with Agile, scientific methodology, even religion. A person reaches a truth through an earnest desire for truth and then everyone else tries to copy him as a shortcut to reach the same truth.

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by npunt »

disabled wrote: post #13
mongol wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you take the course?

Absolutely not. But, I am really good at catching other people's plagiarism, including people who make entire livings off of such grifts. This course has a lot of obvious red flags of that, and I am curious where the original material came from in Creating a Second Brain. This is one example of me finding some severe plagiarism where someone makes an entire living off of it: this Language Master "course" ( https://ww…

Tiago Forte has been working on these ideas for many years in the open on his blog (Fortelabs, the one OP posted) and Building a Second Brain is the course he built atop that. From what I have seen of it, its original work and some synthesis of past ideas, just like most things.

It's weird to see you do these quick Google searches and speculate its plagiarized without any substance to back your argument or awareness of the work he's been doing for years now.

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

#18

Post by Fredvk »

gexla wrote: post #14
WA wrote: post #9

The verbosity around Zettelkasten baffles me. It is a simple system, but most posts explaining it are like 5,000 words long.

Seems like we see this everywhere. Bob is highly productive and comes up with a "system" which he uses to be productive. Bob probably would have been productive with any other system, he's just a productive guy. Joe reads Bob's book and picks up this system thinking he'll be just like Bob. The story ends with Joe giving up on his dreams and taking a day job entering data into spreadsheets. Bob was smart though, he ma…

I feel like i have been Joe before and still am to some degree, are you just born as bob or are there actual fundamental things one can do to be more like bob ?

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

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Post by parkersweb »

Fredvk wrote: post #18
gexla wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like we see this everywhere. Bob is highly productive and comes up with a "system" which he uses to be productive. Bob probably would have been productive with any other system, he's just a productive guy. Joe reads Bob's book and picks up this system thinking he'll be just like Bob. The story ends with Joe giving up on his dreams and taking a day job entering data into spreadsheets. Bob was smart though, he ma…

I feel like i have been Joe before and still am to some degree, are you just born as bob or are there actual fundamental things one can do to be more like bob ?

Absolutely. In fact I have a book that can teach you to be more Bob-like in just 7 simple steps ;-)

Re: The Zettelkasten Method (2019)

#20

Post by andi999 »

sdoering wrote: post #11
andi999 wrote: post #4

Tried understanding Zettelkasten for a while, searched the internet, bought one/some books. But it was always too light on examples. I need full beefed out examples (like a 100 pages Zettelkasten) or let's say 10 pages. Of course you can say one doesn't need it, but isn't the value of any method to be benificial if done as designed? This article seems to be the closest of having good examples.

If you are able to read handwritten German, the whole Zettelkasten [1] of Niklas Luhmann [2] is online available. with an additional explanation of the method [3]. [1]: https://niklas-luhmann-archiv.de/bestand/zettelkasten/zettel... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niklas_Luhmann [3]: https://niklas-luhmann-archiv.de/nachlass/zettelkasten

Yes, but I fear that this is actually too much Infos (and I am not interested in his field)
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