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The Cult of Mary Beard (2018)

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I wasn't aware there was a cult of Mary Beard: perhaps you have to be in Great Britain to be aware of it. The author certainly seems to be a paid-up member. I did recently read and enjoy SPQR .

Just because The Guardian has an article saying so, doesn't make it true. It's a propaganda rag, not a newspaper. Getting your news from multiple sources is a good thing, but exclude the extremes from all sides.

Judging the extremes rather depends on deciding where the center lies.

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I wasn't aware there was a cult of Mary Beard: perhaps you have to be in Great Britain to be aware of it. The author certainly seems to be a paid-up member. I did recently read and enjoy SPQR .

Just because The Guardian has an article saying so, doesn't make it true. It's a propaganda rag, not a newspaper. Getting your news from multiple sources is a good thing, but exclude the extremes from all sides.

The Guardian would only appear extreme to those who's world views have fallen off the other side.

A simple question helps get things back on keel:

"Do you care about other people beyond those that directly benefit you?"

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I wasn't aware there was a cult of Mary Beard: perhaps you have to be in Great Britain to be aware of it. The author certainly seems to be a paid-up member. I did recently read and enjoy SPQR .

Her shows too easily slip into Historian's Fallacy.

It pays the bills I guess, but there's always something untowards about TV intellectuals. It's like getting your science news from Neil deGrasse Tyson.

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When all of thay stuff between her and the black swan bloke (Nassim Nicholas Taleb) happened, I was amazed with how he sought to bully her with his opinion, how he tried to drum up hate towards her, and his utter contempt for field other than statistics. I realised then that this was exactly why she had to write 'Women and Power' etc.

I think he just called her a fraud, and honestly, I never seen him making a mistake in this regard. Here: https://medium.com/east-med-project-history-philology-and-ge... pretty entertaining twitter thread https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/892567659342114816

It's possible that she's nice and wrong and he's right but a dick about it.

It's also possible that there's more nuance to this than that.

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I think he just called her a fraud, and honestly, I never seen him making a mistake in this regard. Here: https://medium.com/east-med-project-history-philology-and-ge... pretty entertaining twitter thread https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/892567659342114816

Mary Beard is absolutely not "a fraud" just because you disagree with her view on diversity. (fwiw I also don't particularly like that tweet of hers, but come on.)

well, I guess neither of us is a member of same ethnic group as Taleb. For him that was personal

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Mary Beard is absolutely not "a fraud" just because you disagree with her view on diversity. (fwiw I also don't particularly like that tweet of hers, but come on.)

well, I guess neither of us is a member of same ethnic group as Taleb. For him that was personal

So? That makes it okay to call a distinguished scholar a fraud? (is that a claim Taleb ever made? or just you?)

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I wasn't aware there was a cult of Mary Beard: perhaps you have to be in Great Britain to be aware of it. The author certainly seems to be a paid-up member. I did recently read and enjoy SPQR .

Just because The Guardian has an article saying so, doesn't make it true. It's a propaganda rag, not a newspaper. Getting your news from multiple sources is a good thing, but exclude the extremes from all sides.

The Guardian ought to be blacklisted here. The articles are terrible and predictably devolve into flamewars in the comments.

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well, I guess neither of us is a member of same ethnic group as Taleb. For him that was personal

So? That makes it okay to call a distinguished scholar a fraud? (is that a claim Taleb ever made? or just you?)

absolutely. He demonstrated her claims to be both baseless and racist

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well, I guess neither of us is a member of same ethnic group as Taleb. For him that was personal

So? That makes it okay to call a distinguished scholar a fraud? (is that a claim Taleb ever made? or just you?)

Part of Taleb’s philosophy is “if you see fraud and do not say fraud, you are a fraud”.

I don’t think he calls people frauds lightly.

Re: The Cult of Mary Beard (2018)

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When all of thay stuff between her and the black swan bloke (Nassim Nicholas Taleb) happened, I was amazed with how he sought to bully her with his opinion, how he tried to drum up hate towards her, and his utter contempt for field other than statistics. I realised then that this was exactly why she had to write 'Women and Power' etc.

I honestly buy his perspective on her. I also feel like you’re severely misrepresenting academic discourse as “bullying”.
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