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Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by daddylongstroke »

1053r wrote: post #266
dukeofdoom wrote: post #262

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You know, its not impossible for millions of people to have long term side effects from COVID. The absolute overconfidence in its long term safety is based on nothing other than wish full thinking. There are early signs, and warning from Doctors now. They just ignored and gaslighted by corporate media, and sadly people like you that don't know the history of previous accidents with vaccines. Early Polio Vaccines caus…

The deep irony here is that you wrote "its not impossible for millions of people to have long term side effects from COVID." While it's clear from the rest of your post that you meant the vaccines, you accidentally ended up making your own counterpoint! It is ABSOLUTELY possible for millions of people to have long term side effects from COVID, the disease. It would be a brand new thing for a vaccine to give so many p…

>No vaccine has ever given people side effects that didn't show up within about 6 weeks.

Why do you believe this is?

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by inter_netuser »

saalweachter wrote: post #137
inter_netuser wrote: post #51

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why is there a window? people report recovery after several years with an appropriate treatment.

The bacteria can cause long-lasting damage, basically, and the symptoms of Lyme disease can just be that damage.

Yes, that can be on me situation.

The frontiers study shows bacteria persists inside the brain.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by daddylongstroke »

ganafagol wrote: post #379
dukeofdoom wrote: post #262

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You know, its not impossible for millions of people to have long term side effects from COVID. The absolute overconfidence in its long term safety is based on nothing other than wish full thinking. There are early signs, and warning from Doctors now. They just ignored and gaslighted by corporate media, and sadly people like you that don't know the history of previous accidents with vaccines. Early Polio Vaccines caus…

I'm confused. Do you mean the millions of "long covid" cases which already exist today? Or the estimate that about 70% of all people who got the vaccine will be dead within 3 years? I know which of these two I consider gaslighting.

>Do you mean the millions of "long covid" cases which already exist today?

Long covid has yet to be scientifically proven.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by inter_netuser »

loceng wrote: post #159
bobo_legos wrote: post #98

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Kris Kirstofferson was told by doctors that his memory loss was either Alzheimer's or Dementia. Another doctor finally decided to test him for lyme. Turns out he he probably got bitten by a tick shooting a movie 10 years prior to the positive test. https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/kris-kristofferson-an-o...

Huh, I wonder if my executive dysfunction in part could be Lyme disease. I was bitten 10+ years ago - had to pull it off, though it hadn't been there long as it hadn't latched on deeply yet - it did cause a small ring; I did get and take short course of antibiotics immediately after as far as I remember. I've heard common bloodwork done is very poor at detecting it but is there a better or sure way of detecting it?

executive dysfunction could be due to so many things.

How did it begin and how did it progress?

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by inter_netuser »

torgoguys wrote: post #116
inter_netuser wrote: post #71

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How much would you pay out of pocket to get the vaccine? People do group buys for all sorts of nutraceticals, small molecules, and even some biologics.

For me, at least $100, probably quite a bit more if I thought about it. However, I don't know that you could legally manufacture and sell/group buy such things. Nutraceuticals gets exceptions under the current, disastrous law but this wouldn't qualify.

If enough people pool in, you could underwrite your own clinical trial.

Why not? People have pooled-in to try drugs that are in development and not generally available yet. I can recall numerous instances: pitolisant, rintalimod, hyper immune IG, etc

Some went well, some were disasters, it’s the same as any other clinical trial.

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Post by coolgeek »

daddylongstroke wrote: post #397
coolgeek wrote: post #394

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Apparently, you just created an account to challenge this comment. Do you not understand the FDA approval process? Or do you not understand how to Google that question yourself? Or is it something else? Seriously. What possessed you to create an account to challenge this comment without doing any research at all, yourself?

>Do you not understand the FDA approval process? There are industrial-grade chemicals fully FDA approved for ingestion by the US populace which are outright banned by various European countries.

Which of my questions do you think you answered?

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by loceng »

ganafagol wrote: post #375
loceng wrote: post #361

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Why don't they understand the pathway for the side effect and figure out a diagnostic test for it so people who're hesitant/worried (or everyone does it to protect everyone from the side effect) so they can be screened out from getting the vaccine then?

Why don't they just solve world peace and faster-than-light travel? Because these things are hard. Lacking the ultimate solution, a small step is better than nothing. Or do you only walk because cars and trains are too slow to get you to the next solar system so why bother ...?

I'll disagree on the behalf of people who are harmed.

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Post by quesera »

giantg2 wrote: post #387
quesera wrote: post #370

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Yep, coyotes are not pack hunters in the way that wolves are. Interestingly, the coyotes in the US East are apparently hybrid "coywolves". They are larger than western coyotes, but still not big enough to take down an adult deer, and they still do not hunt in packs. If you have a large area to cover, Tick Tubes(tm) can get expensive. You can make your own pretty easily for about 1/20th of the price: toilet paper roll…

"Yep, coyotes are not pack hunters in the way that wolves are." "...but still not big enough to take down an adult deer, and they still do not hunt in packs." Coyotes will hunt in packs or alone. They generally go for fawns, but they do occasionally take adult deer (there's even video of it). https://www.pgc.pa.gov/Education/WildlifeNotesIndex/Pages/EC... https://www.trappermag.com/article-index/deer-predation-coyo..…

There is no comparison between the organizational coherence of coyotes (or coywolves) and full wolves.

Wolves are bigger, stronger, and cooperative in larger packs. Coyotes are more opportunistic and ad hoc, and easily scared off.

The net is that wolves have far more success with large prey.

Feral (or wandering) domesticated dogs will sometimes hunt together too, but their coordination is limited. Wolves are impressive creatures.

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Post by freemint »

hitpointdrew wrote: post #337
acdha wrote: post #327

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I think you're confused on several points: the vaccine was approved following extensive safety tests but the lawsuits caused the manufacturer to decide it was not worth manufacturing. The U.S. regulators consistently found no connection between the vaccine and the complaints, so the _scientific_ side worked but the legal / business side let public safety down. Similarly, it's no secret that companies have a vested in…

>but it's not like Pfizer says “Trust us, we employ doctors!” and the FDA says “Sounds great, no need to check!” Each step of that process involves peer-reviewed publications, public data releases, and reviews by panels of scientific experts. All these "steps in the process" are completely meaningless when there is a revolving door with big pharma and FDA. This is nothing more than safety/peer-review theater. Example…

Except hard evidence is created during the trial. The statistical procedures to evaluate things are standardized.

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Post by inter_netuser »

daddylongstroke wrote: post #395
acdha wrote: post #250

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The thing is, we have that process at multiple levels from peer-review and the many stages of government approval and it's rigorous to the point that people have questioned whether it's causing problems due to delays and costs preventing development of vaccines for less widespread diseases and increasing costs. COVID-19 has provided a great example of how well this process works: even the emergency use authorizations…

There is no requirement to post reactions to VAERS; it's completely voluntary.

Amazing. "Most reports to VAERS are voluntary" - https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html

What's the under-reporting multiplier? Why would anyone except for those affected, or god forbid, their families pursue and report bad events?

Just extra paperwork for no or little money.

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