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U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes

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Re: U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes

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I actually disagree. (And before you respond, please read my post because it’s not a trivial point.) The fact that an huge formal investigation happened with just a single casualty is proof that it may actually be superior for safety in the long-term (when combined with feedback from regulators and government investigators). One death in conventional vehicles is irrelevant. But because of the high profile of Tesla’s…

Then why not flip the scheme. Instead of have the human as backup to the machine, make the machine backup the human. Let the human do all the driving and have the robot jump in whenever the human makes a mistake. Telemetry can then record all the situations where the human and the machine disagreed. That should provide all the necessary data, with the benefit of the robot perhaps preventing many accidents. Of course…

What? Cars with collision detection systems already exist, and they can handle both side on and head on collision avoidance when a human is driving.

People literally are buying cars that “make their own decisions”. Importantly though, these systems only activate in the case of an imminent collision IF the corrective measure won’t cause another collision.

> that will pull the wheel …

Yah, of course no one is going to buy a care that does what you describe because what you describe is insane and inherently unsafe. Unless a collision is imminent, nothing happens.

Re: U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes

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In other parts of this thread, people are suggesting that these crashes are the radar's fault and deploying their vision-only system will fix the problem.

As the sibling post says, that’s ridiculous at face value. All the radar is check for collisions because that’s how a radar works...is there a non-intuitive answer here???

Here's a comment:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28198933

Re: U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes

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I think we need to add a new level 2 assisted driving skills section to driving tests. Level 2 can be safer but it really requires understanding how level 2 works and limitations. For example, when I use level 2 (mine is Honda but applies to other level 2 as well since they mostly share the same vendor), these are the rules I follow: - Car switching in/out of my lane, I manually take over - Tight curve in the freeway…

If level 2 requires such handholding, what’s the point? Seems to me like it just leads to a false sense of security, giving drivers the feeling that they can trust the self-driving system a lot more than they safely can.

100% ...

I'd rather at least get the pleasure of driving, rather than basically becoming the supervisor for my car. Quartlery performance reviews, checking on KPI's.

Autopilot and the like are absolutely not on my list of features I'm looking for when buying a new car. Crusie-control? Handy. AP, waste of (my) time.

Re: U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes

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In my opinion the underlying assumption autopilots are built with are wrong. It is assumed that the road is free to drive on. Only when the vehicle computer detects a known object on the road that it knows should not be there it is applying brakes or trying to steer around. I would feel safer if the algorithm would assume the negative case as default and only give the „green light“ once it determined that the road is…

In my opinion the underlying assumption autopilots are built with are wrong. It is assumed that the road is free to drive on. Only when the vehicle computer detects a known object on the road that it knows should not be there it is applying brakes or trying to steer around. I would feel safer if the algorithm would assume the negative case as default and only give the „green light“ once it determined that the road is…

Would you rather optimize for a faster overall fleet, or a fleet with stress free driving, no incidents, no need to intervene or be to be worried.

If the system gets faster over time, even better. But I cannot imagine huge adoption unless the system gets actually reliable. I am pretty much in favor of the Waymo approach.

Re: U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes

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In my opinion the underlying assumption autopilots are built with are wrong. It is assumed that the road is free to drive on. Only when the vehicle computer detects a known object on the road that it knows should not be there it is applying brakes or trying to steer around. I would feel safer if the algorithm would assume the negative case as default and only give the „green light“ once it determined that the road is…

In my opinion the underlying assumption autopilots are built with are wrong. It is assumed that the road is free to drive on. Only when the vehicle computer detects a known object on the road that it knows should not be there it is applying brakes or trying to steer around. I would feel safer if the algorithm would assume the negative case as default and only give the „green light“ once it determined that the road is…

Having high false positive results with only single or dual sensors only shows how ‚bad‘ we still are with controlled secure automated driving.

Re: U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes

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In my opinion the underlying assumption autopilots are built with are wrong. It is assumed that the road is free to drive on. Only when the vehicle computer detects a known object on the road that it knows should not be there it is applying brakes or trying to steer around. I would feel safer if the algorithm would assume the negative case as default and only give the „green light“ once it determined that the road is…

> Only when the vehicle computer detects a known object on the road that it knows should not be there it is applying brakes or trying to steer around. The problem with Tesla's "No LIDAR ever, cameras are good enough" approach is that it fails to detect emergency vehicles: they filter out stationary items out of radar signal as noise[1],and Tesla's ML models probably can't reliably identify oblique vehicles and semi t…

Probably an artifact of the older versions.

See the Tesla AI Day. I expect the new stuff to deal with this a lot better.

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