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Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

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Find a small company to work for. There are a lot around and many are hiring. You may take a pay cut (or maybe not), but the QOL is so much higher at well-run small company than any big company could achieve. The work impact feels much higher when you're not just one tiny cog in an enormous machine.

I'm working in a small company as it is. Quant finance is meaningless by its very nature, big company or small.

Seems to me you moved to London to race rats and watch dogs eat dogs and that has been accomplished.

You have made respectable gains and come out ahead numerically/financially and there are certain winnings to be had staying in the race.

In the process you have become a financial professional based on your computer science ability.

Where naturally financial success is everything and upside is more important than in most alternative endeavors.

With a keen focus for upside potential, you have forged a lucrative path but this has taken you far from the mainstream where almost all other professions do not have nearly that kind of focus.

In co-operation with your partner you could maybe relax your focus a bit in a way determined to broaden your horizons at the same time.

Bring other pathways into your field of vision and just see how they look, those closest to where you are now will be the clearest but over time you may see great distances in completely new directions.

One thing to think about with pure financial operations is there is so much money there because it's wealth that has been previously created then accumulated over a period of time. In London I expect you are handling lots of wealth that was created long before anyone living was even born.

With a good nose for the upside, one close alternative application might be to migrate to a position where most or all of your energies are employed or available for creating new wealth in your own lifetime. People do love it. A slight change like that can even make for a whole new outlook.

In the long run you may not always be a financial professional anyway and there are so many other types of success. You don't have to keep it going forever, there are so many other professions if you choose, but looks like you will always be a computer scientist of high caliber.

So I see nothing but upside.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#252

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> you cannot so easily calculate the cost of squandering a chance to have a memorable experience while you're still young and unencumbered. Do people who do the whole "frontload a big hedonistic experience before you start working/living as an adult" actually end up with memorable experiences that often?

> "frontload a big hedonistic experience before you start working/living as an adult" Absolutely shameful straw man.

How else would you describe a year of hanging out and getting laid in SE Asia hostels then?

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#253
I'm interested in where the OP lives. As I live in NE UK, so probably as emotionally and culturally far away from London as possible.

There were def times that I thought I'd made an error career-wise however, that's not the whole meaning of life. And there are interesting jobs outside of London. OP would probably be very competetive skills-wise compared to locals.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#254

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Google people make 200k starting as Jr devs so I'm assuming 400k. Esp with PhD. Agreed not super clear what's going on.

Google juniors are more like £40k in london. Jobs over £100k are not the norm, even in finance in london. The awful london housing market (small market, people do NOT sell) starts around £320k for a terrible studio. Banks nowaways tend to loan around 4-4.5x gross salary. (And you need a good chunk already saved, which is also hard as tax and rent is high) £100k salary doesn't buy an average 1 bed in london (and you'r…

How can this be true?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/416139/full-time-annual-...

The average salary in London appears to be 40k? How can Google and quant finance roles be at or below average salary?

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

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What is it that you hate about the job? A lot of times, I find that hating your job is really a symptom of something deeper. I think this might be true for you because you also mentioned that you wouldn't be satisfied working for Google. You have a PhD, maybe you're yearning to return to a research oriented career in academia? I honestly recommend seeking therapy before quitting. It might highlight something deeper that might help guide you. Even if you do end up quitting, at least it will guide you towards the right path.

Also, remember that even having these types of thoughts means we are in a relative place of tremendous privilege where our basic needs are met and secured. Many in the world don't have that privilege. That's not meant to guilt you, but to help you put things in perspective. Usually when we are materially satisfied, we start to seek higher levels of meaning and since we spend so much of our waking time working, we try to seek satisfaction through work. But the world doesn't value our individual satisfaction.

Finally you seem to have some conflicting goals (or maybe not). If you want to retire early and stay with your partner, it might mean making the sacrifice of living in London and also working in a high paying job where you are disconnected from the value it brings to society. You can potentially speed up this process by working on building a high value company, but working in quant finance you should be able to assess risk-adjusted returns and determine if that path is feasible or makes sense in your individual circumstances.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#257
Pay and meaning are often a tradeoff. Arguably the reason pay is so high for some jobs is that they have to pay that much to stop people from leaving. I took a pay cut before in life and it came with massive happiness increase. Maybe join a startup where you can get a good chunk of equity, and pick a team that you like being with.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

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Mind telling where you live? I’m interested in moving to London in a few years time.

I live in a tiny blink-and-you-miss-it "village" called Hampton Wick, which is nestled between Kingston upon Thames and Teddington. The river is approx 50m from my house, and Bushy and Home parks are right next door. Richmond park is also nearby (can walk there). Kingston is like a mini compressed London (retail wise) and it's a 15 min walk. Not gonna say it's cheap here but nothing compared to central London. And if…

Thanks! It looks like a very nice area for raising kids.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

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What did you end up doing

In no particular order: - Broke up with girlfriend - fucked off from london - Spent 6 months at home (until the whinging from the parents got too much) - Found a Research Associate position - Bounced from there into DARPA-funded research

So you are a postdoc at Uni?
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