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The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Welcome and glad to have you. And while you're not a shill, I find your site misguided, in overly relying on equating natural, traditional diets with healthy, leading you to some recommendations that are orthogonal to healthiness, like fermented veggies and sprouted grains, and some that are unhelpful to health, like red meat and butter. The people of Finland drastically improved their health metrics when they transi…

I haven't commented on Hacker News for a while now. But let me rake in the downvotes and say that this kind of answer is the reason I can't be bothered anymore. Let's face it, this is a geeky forum. And geeks just can't refrain from giving their opinions and facts. They only need to spend a night reading Wikipedia articles about nutrition to have the right to shit all over someones comments that are marginally overla…

> She wasn't even asking for an opinion.

Bullshit. If you make your views publicly known, they are open to criticism. bfe was incisive but not uncivil. Your pious attitude and haughty implication that bfe's knowledge is only a result of an evening's browse through Wikipedia is far more offensive to me than anything he/she wrote.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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This is very possible too. What's the criteria for judging "healthy"? I mean, I have no ego, and I'm not doing this out of narcissism or some silliness like that. I genuinely care about "the truth". So if the truth is I don't look healthy, then I'd like to know why. I was just about run up to the local gas station and buy a $0.72 44oz Cherry Coke, then run up to McDonalds and grab a McChicken for $1.09, then head bac…

Hi, I've been where you've been. From early programmerhood I've lived on a steady diet on coca-cola, pizza, crisps and other fast food. It was by no means an extreme diet and probably more healthy than an "all-in programmers diet" Even though the diet was pretty unhealthy I still maintained my weight in my early 20-something years. When I was 30 my weight ballooned into the overweight area, and this was even when I w…

Indeed cutting out carbohydrates is the easiest way to loose weight in my experience too.

Please note that we are not talking extreme measures here - there are plenty of carbohydrates in food. We're talking getting rid of the crap variety. Avoiding or completely skipping starchy foods (white bread, rice, potatoes) is the key to controlling blood sugar levels. It's not about avoiding sugar drops - its more about avoiding blood sugar spikes these foods cause.

Please note - that potatoes are not necessarily bad - if you eat them whole (much easier with young potatoes) and add extra fiber.

But sugar, white flour and rice are horrible, horrible foods.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Hey, thanks. Would you mind linking to the actual studies so I can read them? The "sugar-water + food = lost weight" bit is especially striking...

Original academic sources: Fowler SP, Williams K, Resendez RG, Hunt KJ, Hazuda HP, Stern MP. Fueling the obesity epidemic? Artificially sweetened beverage use and long-term weight gain Obesity (Silver Spring) 2008 Aug;16(8):1894-1900. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18535548 http://www.uthscsa.edu/hscnews/singleformat.asp?newID=3872 here's some pop-sci versions: http://www.fastcompany.com/1764156/diet-coke-is-why-…

On veganism... I only know of one person who was full-stop vegan for more than 10 years. And even he had major health issues, due to absorption problems of some nutrients.

He found a source of said nutrients that works for him. Everybody else returned to a balanced diet.

I do understand that some people can function on purely vegan diet. However most do not.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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I don't think that the health conclusions of this piece (don't drink orange juice from the supermarket!) are warranted. All the sources listed in it lead back to Alissa Hamilton's book "Squeezed." While not having read it, all of the information I can find suggest that Hamilton is not trying to suggest that orange juice is unhealthy. For example, this interview in the Boston Globe - http://articles.boston.com/2009-02…

Regardless of the health conclusions - you can't deny the amount of sugar in single cup - absolutely contributes to the obesity we are all facing.

Really? I don't see people getting fat off of orange juice. Coca-Cola, beer, Gatorade, "sweet tea" with enough sugar in it to be poured on pancakes... these all seem like much more egregious offenders.

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No offence, but only an American could make the argument that because their weight has stayed "only" between 95kg and 100kg that they are living proof that people can eat what they want and not get fat. Unless you are a bodybuilder, which I am guessing you are not since they most certainly do care about what they eat, you are likely considered overweight in every other country on earth.

I was a similar weight. But being 6 foot 3 helps. A BMI of 26-28 is overweight, it's most people don't really notice. It's also really easy to lose, if you can just cut down a little.

BMI is truly shit. Let me tell you an anecdote.

While at Uni I was a semi professional MTB DH racer. I am 188cm tall and weighted 88kg when in best shape of my life - I weigh a lot since my build is super robust (I had BMI may work for average. But the sad fact is that people are rarely average. And as others have noted, recent findings indicate that some level of body fat - protects from diabetes and other diseases. Meaning that nutrition is not really that simple.

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Well, here I am. Judge for yourself: http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/24114_337315700... I drink over half gallon of soda a day, and survive mostly on $1 McChickens. So I'm either a freak of nature, or we don't know as much as we think we do about nature.

Dude, don't put me on the spot like that. I'm not going to judge your bloody photo. What is this, hotornot.com? That said, you're pretty young, and your awful diet has evidently not caught up with you yet. When it does, I predict a swift re-evaluation of your ideas about nutrition and self-exceptionalism.

I'll bite.

Right now you're doing OK because you've got a relatively high metabolic rate. By the time you hit your mid-30s to early 40s, a natural drop in testosterone is going to slow that metabolic rate right down and you'll see a gradual buildup of belly fat. In fact, I can already see the beginnings of it in your photo right now. I can't see your jawline but your cheeks look a little full for a guy your age.

I used to be 140-150# and now I fight to stay at 180#. In all likelihood I'm never going to get back to where I once was. I've redirected my goals to minimizing bodyfat and building muscle. It's not easy but my health has improved markedly.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Regardless of the health conclusions - you can't deny the amount of sugar in single cup - absolutely contributes to the obesity we are all facing.

Really? I don't see people getting fat off of orange juice . Coca-Cola, beer, Gatorade, "sweet tea" with enough sugar in it to be poured on pancakes... these all seem like much more egregious offenders.

A glass of orange juice from a store contains as more calories as an equivalent amount of soda:

Calories in OJ: http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-orange-juice-i14425 Calories in soda: http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-carbonated-beverage-i...

Adjusted for the same volume, the soda has 109, while the orange juice has 122.

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With respect, it is an industry lobby's viewpoint, and it belongs to the organic food industry. Organic farming is not financially sustainable at scale because the costs of production are far too high. There is a very low ceiling, relatively speaking, to the amount of crops that can be produced. Therefore in order to stay profitable organic food has to be sold at very significant premium. Buyers will not pay this pre…

Industrial farming based on huge amounts of cheap oil is not sustainable either. Think about all the oil/gas used in fertilizer production, pesticides, mechanization, harvesting, processing, storage, trucking, packaging. Every step of the industrial food production process involves fossil fuels, which have a limited production flow, more or less flat since 2005. Large and growing countries like China and India will d…

"Industrial farming based on huge amounts of cheap oil is not sustainable either. Think about all the oil/gas used in fertilizer production, pesticides, mechanization, harvesting, processing, storage, trucking, packaging."

Believe me, farmers think about that subject far more than you can imagine. They do everything they can to reduce the number of passes they have to make through each row of crops.

Farms like my in-laws leverage technology to the maximum. For example, they have GPS units on their tractors that are integrated with meters that track how much fertilizer is being distributed and they've been tracking this for almost a decade. When they harvest, they have GPS units on the combines and sensors that are tracking yields. At the end of every season they use 2D and sometimes 3D modeling to determine the optimum distribution of fertilizer down to a few feet. The off-season is dedicated to crunching these numbers, plus a mountain of other data that is collected. The goal is to absolutely maximize the efficiency of resource use: fuel, fertilizer, pesticides, etc.

When it comes to the question of sustainability you've got to remember that many if not most farms are generational. Fathers passed the farm to the current generation, they hope to pass it to their sons or daughters. They are far more invested in the economic and environmental sustainability of their operations than the folks that have made sustainability a trendy buzzword.

And understand that I am talking about industrial farms. There is no true distinction between the "industrial farm" and the "family farm." They are one and the same, but there is a lobby out there that has it out for agriculture. You sound like a real jerkoff if you're attacking the "family" farm, but if you use the word "industrial", you conjure images of smokestacks belching pollution and fat white guys in suits lighting Cubans with the money they stole from the pocket of the janitor. It's totally cool to attack those guys.

Think about it this way. Where I live it takes about 1,500 acres to support a family. Let's say you have three families working a farm, a father and his two married sons and their kids. That's three families that need about 4,500 acres to make a living. That is a lot of land and it requires an industrial, in the dictionary sense of the word, operation to farm.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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>Do you have any thoughts on using Crystal Light to make water taste less terrible? Water tastes fantastic. It's sweet. An all-soda-and-mcsquats' diet has killed your taste buds, so anything that isn't loaded with sugar and salt (never mind the Coke, your McChicken has a crazy amount of added sugar) will taste bland to you. Cut the crap out of your diet, and the good stuff will taste good again. Now, all of this is m…

Could you explain that comment about zucchinis? I can't find any information about why one wouldn't recommend its consumption.

Pretty sure that was a joke regarding his personal aversion to zucchini.
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