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Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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Always been on my list to visit as a subject of Her Majesty, along with St. Helena, Ascension, Tristan da Cunha and Pitcairn.

Very unlikely you’re a ‘subject’ - that’s a very specific legal status designed for complex internationality edge cases which almost nobody uses any more.

Huh. TIL I was born a British subject, but lost the status in 1987.

Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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"...(the only access to the islands) is to have a pre-arranged job contract with a company that has signed a form of bond taking responsibility for you" That sounds like all British immigration rules. My employer had to apply for my visa and had to pay all my healthcare contributions for a year up front before I could move for a job in London. If I lose my job I have a few weeks to find a new employer (who will have…

I am British and I moved to an EU country when Britain was still in the EU. I was surprised because unless I went to the immigration office to prove to them that I either had 'enough' (never really defined) money to support myself, or had a permanent employment contract - I would not have any state coverage for anything (health etc). The UK would of course not support my health care in a different country on a perman…

What country is this? In Portugal you only need a declaration under penalty of perjury that 1) you are employed or self-employed (no need of a permanent contract), 2) that you have enough money to support yourself and your dependents and that you have health insurance, provided such requirement applies to Portuguese citizens in your country of origin (leaving asides the students here). In particular the national law that transposes directive 2004/38/EC (Lei n.º 37/2006) says in article 9, n. 4:

> [...] Without prejudice to the dispositions in chapter VII, Union citizens or their family shall never be removed in the following circumstances:

> a) [...]

> b) When the Union citizens entered Portugal to seek employment and they prove that they continue to keep seeking employment.

Chapter VII only says people who joined to country to look for employment are not entitled to social security even after 3 months (which applies across the board).

And when I registered in the Netherlands I don't remember having to provide proof of employment too, though they might have had that information on file. In any case, it was not a permanent contract.

Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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post #131

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Not quite. Children born in France only get French citizenship from birth if at least one parent either is a French citizen or was born in France. Otherwise, there are various processes for them to acquire citizenship later in life if they spend enough of their childhood in France. In contrast, almost any child born in the US, regardless of the nationality or immigration status of the parents, is a citizen automatica…

You've just sparked a new form of gene propagation. Imagine being a sperm donor, but in dozens of countries. Now your progeny will have a large range of citizenship, and locations, from which they may thrive during disaster. Better than sailors and ports, for one can travel, experience sunny and interesting destinations, make a deposit, and... success! I see a new startup, which combines cruise ships and pre-arranged…

Wouldn't it be cheaper to ship the semen? Less entertaining for the donor, of course.

Though, if the goal is to maximize the donor's entertainment, I don't see why we're using artificial insemination.

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Have you ever seen a stud bull get shipped to a farm?

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I feel this could end very badly. Like,

Form AirBnB.

...many years later...

All real estate is unaffordable.

Like, there'd be throngs of George Clooneys and Barack Obamas with weird recessive diseases.

And a bizarre fan-club in China of Vladimir Putin babymommas.

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Didn't Stephen Colbert have a product like this? (I swear, if it had been real, some people would have bought and used it.)

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We'd recreate that unexplained prehistoric situation, preserved in the genetic record, where a population bottleneck shows up only on the Y chromosome.

Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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Never mind already back in the 80s and 90s the British population of the Falklands preferred to remain a part of the UK. Nevermind Argentina invaded the Falklands and was ultimately repulsed. No idea where the idea that the Falklands belong to Argentina comes from. The only meaningful population of the islands ever was and is British. Which makes the comparison to HK and Taiwan somewhat pointless, nevermind that Taiw…

Falklands is much closer to Argentina though - they should belong to Argentina by right of proximity.

Couldn't you say the same about Alaska being closer to Canada or Russia even? Shouldn't they have control of Alaska?

Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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post #131

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Not quite. Children born in France only get French citizenship from birth if at least one parent either is a French citizen or was born in France. Otherwise, there are various processes for them to acquire citizenship later in life if they spend enough of their childhood in France. In contrast, almost any child born in the US, regardless of the nationality or immigration status of the parents, is a citizen automatica…

You've just sparked a new form of gene propagation. Imagine being a sperm donor, but in dozens of countries. Now your progeny will have a large range of citizenship, and locations, from which they may thrive during disaster. Better than sailors and ports, for one can travel, experience sunny and interesting destinations, make a deposit, and... success! I see a new startup, which combines cruise ships and pre-arranged…

That isn't distinctly different from marriage fraud, or whatever the US government calls it now. As a US citizen, you can basically jump start the immigration process by just having a recognized marriage to a foreigner. It's pretty messed up in my opinion and encourages bad behavior on the part of both parties.

Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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post #47

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What's different is the will of the people. If Shanghai, or San Francisco, or anywhere, developed a cultural consensus that it wanted to leave its parent country, it would be evil to prevent them.

Several US states south of the Mason-Dixon line developed a cultural consensus that they wanted to leave their parent country. Was it evil to prevent them?

A substantial number of their residents weren't included in that decision making process, as I recall.

Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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I felt like the detail that mattered there was that it is the only way to get through the British military air base at Mount Pleasant (the only access to the islands) . If you don't have to pass through a military base to get somewhere, there is a bit of wiggle room. You are supposed to do X, Y or Z but there end up being some exceptions. In this case, the military base has a stranglehold on entry so you aren't likel…

I believe cruise ships provide access. There maybe access via other ships as well.

That's still fairly restrictive. Even with airplanes, it's fairly restrictive.

Much easier if you have a land border for illegal immigrants to wander in, as the US can attest to with it's ridiculous scheme to "build a wall" to resolve the issue.

Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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The recommendation, remember? The research? She was a PhD student.

Technically, just to be that guy, she worked all the extra time and was compensated for it with a recommendation.

Technically, just to be that guy, many slaves worked all the extra time and was compensated with eventual freedom.

Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

#189
post #121

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And as we all know, national borders are decided by plotting capitals on a map and running a mathematical process to minimise distance from capital, right?

Would be interesting to see such a map based on current capitals.

Here ya go:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/coxtsv/countries_i...

Of course, there's some hand waving here - micronations are dropped, Mercator projection, etc

Re: Why do so many people move to the Falkland Islands? (2009)

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post #107

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Not being an employee (for a while or forever) doesn't mean not being able to support yourself. Yes, super-rich enjoy this freedom (of movement and living where they please), but there are lots of people who are rich/sustainable enough to contribute positively to any economy but current immigration systems doesn't allow this in most countries.

No categorisation system is perfect, so there will always be cases that fall through the cracks, but most countries try to offer a spread of visas that cover most of the kinds of positive contributions to the country that they want to attract, without permitting too many who will be a drain instead. Work visas are by no means the only option, but if you're arguing that you're going to contribute positively to the eco…

That's the problem, there is no way to demonstrate (apply) for many countries, including UK.
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