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The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Thank you. It's so rare nowadays to find someone willing to give perfectly honest feedback, like "your posture sucks, and you look sleepy". I didn't realize hair quality might be linked to nutrition. Also, I appreciate how much work you put into your reply. Do you have any thoughts on using Crystal Light to make water taste less terrible? Someday, when I have more than $1k of savings, I hope to live in a nice rental…

>Do you have any thoughts on using Crystal Light to make water taste less terrible? Water tastes fantastic. It's sweet. An all-soda-and-mcsquats' diet has killed your taste buds, so anything that isn't loaded with sugar and salt (never mind the Coke, your McChicken has a crazy amount of added sugar) will taste bland to you. Cut the crap out of your diet, and the good stuff will taste good again. Now, all of this is m…

Could you explain that comment about zucchinis? I can't find any information about why one wouldn't recommend its consumption.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Good news! I'm not an industry shill. I'm a stay at home mom who homeschools my three kids and earns money blogging. If you read the disclosure statements on my site, you'll see that I never write paid posts or content. I do sell advertising, though, (from which I make a pretty penny, thank you) and the link is a link to a page full of text ads. I used to be a copywriter, but haven't done that since my blog took off…

Welcome to HN from a kindred spirit. I'm a former homemaker and homeschooling mom. Serious health issues caused me to seriously question conventional wisdom about nutrition, so I appreciate the tone of your site. (The standard medical advice for my condition amounts to "live on tons of junk food to increase your fat, salt and calorie count!" I got better in part by focusing on better nutrition. Much of what I have fo…

Thank you for the welcome!

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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I was thinking of a scientific study I read a couple years ago, the citation for which escapes me at the moment. How I long for the day when I can install the Google brain history page implant beta. But five seconds on the present-day Google uncovered both: (1) a Wikipedia page on Finnish cuisine that shows a picture of a butter-slathered pastry and mentions stuff about hunting, red meat, buttermilk, and fruits and v…

Thanks. My sense, from following Kristen's blog, is that she might be a bit appalled by the traditional Finnish diet, too. She pushes a lot of grass-fed beef and butter produced from the milk of grass-fed cattle, but she also pushes lots of vegetables, among other things.

The red meat, butter, and buttermilk that abounds in the traditional Finnish diet are from moose and reindeer whose own diet in the Finnish woods is at least as all-natural, wholesome, and organic as the grass grazed by Kristen's cattle, but that didn't stop the Finns from being the world leaders in heart attacks. The LDL cholesterol in your bloodstream doesn't care what the cows you ate were eating when they were alive. Kristen's brand of feeling good for rebelling against the food-industrial complex and folksy pattern-matching of traditional must mean good are no substitute for the scientific method, and in this case it's (on average and over the long term) a life-or-death distinction.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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"And diet coke will not cause your body to have the same insulin response as sugar based drinks." This has recently been shown to be untrue. Recent research on rats and humans shows that drinking diet drinks gives the body an expectation of calories that it then does not receive. Perhaps due to a Pavlovian response but physically real nonetheless, the digestive system switches on and gears up to digest. When no calor…

Hey, thanks. Would you mind linking to the actual studies so I can read them? The "sugar-water + food = lost weight" bit is especially striking...

Original academic sources:

  Fowler SP, Williams K, Resendez RG, Hunt KJ, Hazuda HP,
  Stern MP. Fueling the obesity epidemic? Artificially
  sweetened beverage use and long-term weight gain Obesity
  (Silver Spring) 2008 Aug;16(8):1894-1900.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18535548 http://www.uthscsa.edu/hscnews/singleformat.asp?newID=3872

here's some pop-sci versions:

http://www.fastcompany.com/1764156/diet-coke-is-why-youre-fa...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2009055/Why-guzzli...

I'm still looking for the study on rats. I'll keep looking. I'm sure I bookmarked it somewhere…

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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post #115

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"And diet coke will not cause your body to have the same insulin response as sugar based drinks." This has recently been shown to be untrue. Recent research on rats and humans shows that drinking diet drinks gives the body an expectation of calories that it then does not receive. Perhaps due to a Pavlovian response but physically real nonetheless, the digestive system switches on and gears up to digest. When no calor…

Hey, thanks. Would you mind linking to the actual studies so I can read them? The "sugar-water + food = lost weight" bit is especially striking...

These are interesting, too:

This is interesting but on a different topic: calories:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/

This is about salt:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=its-time-to...

This on dairy products:

http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v64/n6/abs/ejcn201045a.ht...

This is an interesting account of veganism:

http://voraciouseats.com/2010/11/19/a-vegan-no-more/

And another interesting article on corn-syrup:

http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Industrial farming based on huge amounts of cheap oil is not sustainable either. Think about all the oil/gas used in fertilizer production, pesticides, mechanization, harvesting, processing, storage, trucking, packaging. Every step of the industrial food production process involves fossil fuels, which have a limited production flow, more or less flat since 2005. Large and growing countries like China and India will d…

Come now, mechanized farming isn't all bad. Small engines have brought /billions/ of people out of poverty. My late grandfather switched from a dozen horses to one quadbike, tripling output and halving the amount of work he had to do. This 'third world' you are thinking of has been buying small, efficient engines for tractors and pumps for most of the last century. The spike in oil use for that was in the early 60s.…

If nothing else, you've made me think about my position.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Dude I hate to break you're little bubble - but you fat. You might not be as hopelessly obese as people you are used to calling fat. But the truth is you are fat too. You don't look healthy either and with continuing your lifestyle like you do, You are a ticking timebomb of diabetes, cholesterol issues, gout and other nasty metabolic diseases. Take an example of my mother, she is 70 and has developed both gout and di…

This is very possible too. What's the criteria for judging "healthy"? I mean, I have no ego, and I'm not doing this out of narcissism or some silliness like that. I genuinely care about "the truth". So if the truth is I don't look healthy, then I'd like to know why. I was just about run up to the local gas station and buy a $0.72 44oz Cherry Coke, then run up to McDonalds and grab a McChicken for $1.09, then head bac…

Hi, I've been where you've been. From early programmerhood I've lived on a steady diet on coca-cola, pizza, crisps and other fast food. It was by no means an extreme diet and probably more healthy than an "all-in programmers diet" Even though the diet was pretty unhealthy I still maintained my weight in my early 20-something years.

When I was 30 my weight ballooned into the overweight area, and this was even when I was doing plenty of exercise. I started experimenting with different diets, wanting to find something that I could actually enjoy, didn't leave me hungry and didn't require preparation. Some diets worked health-wise but was too complicated and too boring, I've finally managed to find a diet that suits me, it might not be the one that suits you but I thought I mention it anyway.

The first thing you need to do is to stop eating sugar and that includes any High fructose Cornsyrup. I stopped having sugars in my coffee and eventually got used to it. Soda's was harder, I've eventually learned to enjoy carbonated water with meals and drink coffee and tea for programming fuel (A habit I plan to experiment with dropping)

The next thing is to cut out any fried food. It's a no-brainer since it's easily one of the most unhealthy things you can eat. Not so much for the fat content (which weirdly isn't as unhealthy as you think) but because fried food is loaded with carbohydrates.

Next you need to find a plan for what you actually should eat. I tried to find fast food alternatives that I could enjoy but that was more healthy, things like wook, thai food and sushi. It'll be a bit more expensive but you'll save lots of money from not drinking soda/candy and other crappy snacks

Eating out all the time is boring and expensive however, and the food isn't always that good so you need something healthy you can cook at home. My rule is to build meals around a quality protein (fish/beef/chicken) and have that with a vegetable that provides carbohydrates. Lenses, spinach and beans are especially good. Mix that with some other vegetables, spices and a non-carb sauce (ie bernaise) and you have a very nice healthy meal for the same price as eating out that you can prepare in 3 minutes. Hamburger patties isn't as healthy but since they're easy and probably more healthy than the alternative feel free to endulge.

Yeah, and no bread, rice, pasta, grain, potates, candy, fruit juice, cereals either if you can manage.

Eat eggs for breakfast, like 3 eggs in an omelett with some sallad and an avocado

The really good thing about this diet in contrast to other I've tried is that I'm not hungry, the cravings for sweets and snacks has essentially dissappeared and I need less portions of stuff.

This might sound extreme and I don't recommend you do everything at once. Start shifting parts of your diet and se what works, try having some of these meals and see if you like it.

Finding a diet that fits one taste and lifestyle is a continous process so take it one step at a time.

I think my diet pretty closely follows the Paleo Diet (though I don't really subscribe to all of it). A really good book to read is Why We Get Fat: And What to Do About It by Steve Taub

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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No offence, but only an American could make the argument that because their weight has stayed "only" between 95kg and 100kg that they are living proof that people can eat what they want and not get fat. Unless you are a bodybuilder, which I am guessing you are not since they most certainly do care about what they eat, you are likely considered overweight in every other country on earth.

Well, here I am. Judge for yourself: http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/24114_337315700... I drink over half gallon of soda a day, and survive mostly on $1 McChickens. So I'm either a freak of nature, or we don't know as much as we think we do about nature.

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Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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No offence, but only an American could make the argument that because their weight has stayed "only" between 95kg and 100kg that they are living proof that people can eat what they want and not get fat. Unless you are a bodybuilder, which I am guessing you are not since they most certainly do care about what they eat, you are likely considered overweight in every other country on earth.

Well, here I am. Judge for yourself: http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/24114_337315700... I drink over half gallon of soda a day, and survive mostly on $1 McChickens. So I'm either a freak of nature, or we don't know as much as we think we do about nature.

Ummmmm, nobody is going to check out your photo. It's awesome that diet is working for you (for now) but it doesn't for the other 99% who eat like that. Just look around you...

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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When the package says "100% juice," I think most people assume that means that the juice is squeezed from the orange and it goes into the carton without any processing or additives. I'm sure that's the impression that they're trying to give by putting that on the label. The fact that this isn't the case, and that the juice is actually highly processed in a very unnatural manner, is pretty alarming.

Without any processing or additives? I'm for the most part quite glad the juice and milk I buy at the store has been processed--without pasteurization and homogenization, for example, milk would be significantly riskier AND less convenient.

You may be glad that your 100% pure orange juice is in fact highly processed orange juice product, but most people would be rather shocked to find out what is happening.

And you may not be correct about the pasteurization of milk. There are many who feel that natural unpasteurized milk is healthier. Pasteurization is perhaps more necessary in a mass production environment, but it is not necessarily better for our bodies.

This story adds more proof for me that we should consume nothing that "comes in a box", so to speak.

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