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Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by sudosysgen »

spookthesunset wrote: post #70
sudosysgen wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free societies do have provisions that allow for such things used with parsimony in times of great need. When you're enforcing an actual lockdown, thankfully it only takes a few weeks and people can go back to normal for the next 2-3 months. The tradeoff to liberty and freedom is more complex than it seems. For example, New Zealand did it successfully, and I'd say there was a lot more freedom thanks to the times with…

NZ and AU have military in the streets to keep people in line. They are barely a good example of anything.

So you believe that NZ is not a free society, but the US is?

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by blurbleblurble »

3princip wrote: post #39
perihelions wrote: post #13

Librem/Pinephone's killer feature is going to be the baseband modem kill-switch. It's going to be the only way to opt out of this category of tracking.

It's more practical at this point to start weaning off carrying a phone at all times. Not necessarily going off grid into the woods, just not carrying it unless you'll need it for something specific that day. I'm not sure more tech is going to solve this issue, we're just digging the hole deeper.

The special thing about mm wave antenna arrays is that you don't need to have a phone on you to be identified by the unique fingerprint of your gait. There's enough information density in that spectrum to resolve your identity accurately even if you're not carrying a phone. And there are papers demonstrating how to do just that.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis...

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by [deleted] »

throwawayboise wrote: post #58
MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #56

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> "It's for yours and _everyone's_ health" is the most common premise used to reduce privacy and increase control over people. I feel this one is rather new. People are by now trained to recognize the "we need surveillance due to kiddy porn" pattern. Many people are still unaware that the assumptions underlying most of the covid counter-measures are flawed and not supported by the data.

Whether the assumptions are flawed or not, the infrastructure necessary to track all the COVID cases and contacts is the same one that could be used to track all the Jews (substitute any minority group here).

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Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by swiley »

sudosysgen wrote: post #67
swiley wrote: post #33

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China is still locking cities down this year.

Very few of them, and briefly, yes. In total the average chinese citizen would have spent much less time in lockdown.

Considering that no one in my state spent time in lockdown this year (and mostly didn't last year either) I'm not sure I'd agree with that.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by sudosysgen »

swiley wrote: post #76
sudosysgen wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very few of them, and briefly, yes. In total the average chinese citizen would have spent much less time in lockdown.

Considering that no one in my state spent time in lockdown this year (and mostly didn't last year either) I'm not sure I'd agree with that.

Multiple cities in China didn't spend any time in lockdown this year either, so that's not a conclusive argument.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by chasd00 »

sudosysgen wrote: post #65
chasd00 wrote: post #60

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"When you’re welding steel together to enforce it" Is it not obvious that doesn't work in a normal, free society? It's painfully depressing to think otherwise.

Free societies do have provisions that allow for such things used with parsimony in times of great need. When you're enforcing an actual lockdown, thankfully it only takes a few weeks and people can go back to normal for the next 2-3 months. The tradeoff to liberty and freedom is more complex than it seems. For example, New Zealand did it successfully, and I'd say there was a lot more freedom thanks to the times with…

no, it's not complex at all. A correctly functioning government would be scared to death at even the thought of forcing its citizens into their homes (or anywhere else).

A government exists at the pleasure of the governed.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by nradov »

sudosysgen wrote: post #66
tazjin wrote: post #23

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Ah, the no true scotsman fallacy. If only we had destroyed our health and economy harder , it would have worked!

Plenty of things in the world work like that. Half assing something often has worse side effects than whole-assing it. If we had 4 weeks of strict lockdowns and then returned to normal we would have both less covid, a better economy, and better mental health.

That's just wishful thinking. The virus is so highly contagious that as soon as the lockdown ended, the exponential spread would start up again. So forget it, most rational people aren't willing to tolerate more restrictions. At this point we need to focus on vaccinating as many people as possible and otherwise just accept the risk.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by perihelions »

blurbleblurble wrote: post #73
3princip wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more practical at this point to start weaning off carrying a phone at all times. Not necessarily going off grid into the woods, just not carrying it unless you'll need it for something specific that day. I'm not sure more tech is going to solve this issue, we're just digging the hole deeper.

The special thing about mm wave antenna arrays is that you don't need to have a phone on you to be identified by the unique fingerprint of your gait. There's enough information density in that spectrum to resolve your identity accurately even if you're not carrying a phone. And there are papers demonstrating how to do just that. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis...

That's astonishing!
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