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Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by foepys »

wila wrote: post #80
foepys wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And instead of improving their code so Teams is fast as VS Code, they delegated it to the Edge team to write a new version of Electron called WebView2. Teams' codebase is apparently so bad that it's not fixable and they need to rely on others to rewrite the runtime for them. For good measure it also subscribes to the media keys on the keyboard. To mute your microphone you might think, but no, to play the dial tone tw…

WebView2 is the MS Edge browser technology that can be instanced as a browser control in your application. [1] It is not electron. [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/webview2/

Since it's unreleased they might name it differently when releasing but I don't think they will make it open source. Microsoft will most likely use it for themselves.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by vosper »

remus wrote: post #93
jbluepolarbear wrote: post #17

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Google hangouts is garbage. I have never had a hangout call that didn’t freeze or have someone dropout. The audio on hangouts is beyond bad and makes people sound completely different than they do in person. The video quality is always grainy on my fiber connection. Zoom doesn’t have these problems for me.

I find it interesting that people have such different experiences with the same tool. I tend to have 2 or 3 hangouts meetings a day and I can't remember the last time there was an issue.

Likewise - we switched from Gotomeeting to Google Meet (which is the same as hangouts, right?) mostly because the experience for staff in Latin America was so much better.

That said, Gotomeeting is the worst of the bunch. They haven't added a useful feature in years, the CPU usage is terrible, their parasitic launcher is very difficult to get rid of, ugh... I'm surprised they're still around.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by Rd6n6 »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #6

Offer a comparable alternative, then. I spend half my day on meetings either internally or with clients, and every time I have to jump on a client meeting with Microsoft Teams/Google Hangouts/WebEx/GotoMeeting because their company bans Zoom, it's a recipe for a fruitless meeting. Someone will fumble the sharing controls; screens will take forever to present; at least one person's microphone will become inaudible, st…

I use whereby and it’s always been without issue. They used to have a very good privacy policy too, but since they updated it I can’t make sense out of it

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by tracker1 »

blululu wrote: post #11
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #6

Offer a comparable alternative, then. I spend half my day on meetings either internally or with clients, and every time I have to jump on a client meeting with Microsoft Teams/Google Hangouts/WebEx/GotoMeeting because their company bans Zoom, it's a recipe for a fruitless meeting. Someone will fumble the sharing controls; screens will take forever to present; at least one person's microphone will become inaudible, st…

As someone who runs Zoom via the browser (they do deploy a dark pattern to discourage this behavior but there is no good reason to trust them) I find that Hangouts and Teams are both solid alternatives in terms of AV quality. Would be happy to see some actual data on this claim. People prefer the interface they are used to. I personally find Zoom to be really frustrating from an interface angle but that is probably j…

Hangouts is all but dead, and Chat/Meet suck by comparison... at one point, I loved Hangouts, one comms app to rule them all, SMS, chat, video conf, messaging, even google voice... then it all fell apart.

Half the time, I can't join a meet with video, or the video works in the "test" window, but as soon as you join it's broken.

I'm mostly okay with Teems though.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by aqme28 »

rand_r wrote: post #79
baja_blast wrote: post #14

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As someone how uses both Zoom and Google Hangouts, there is nothing Zoom offers that Google hangouts does not provide. The quality is the same for both, but at least Hangouts does not install a sketchy client on my machine that constantly runs in the background.

I'm sorry, but Hangouts is terrible. It sucks on every level. The UI is so bad it's hard to believe. I wish I could sit down with their product team to get an explanation for how badly Hangouts is designed. Takes about 10s to see all the problems with it compared to Zoom.

Can you be more specific about the UI problems? It seems pretty equivalent to Zoom to me.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by jbluepolarbear »

remus wrote: post #93
jbluepolarbear wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google hangouts is garbage. I have never had a hangout call that didn’t freeze or have someone dropout. The audio on hangouts is beyond bad and makes people sound completely different than they do in person. The video quality is always grainy on my fiber connection. Zoom doesn’t have these problems for me.

I find it interesting that people have such different experiences with the same tool. I tend to have 2 or 3 hangouts meetings a day and I can't remember the last time there was an issue.

How are you okay with the audio compression? It makes everyone sound flat, monotone. It’s hard to tell who’s who if people have their cameras off.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by john_yaya »

rand_r wrote: post #79
baja_blast wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone how uses both Zoom and Google Hangouts, there is nothing Zoom offers that Google hangouts does not provide. The quality is the same for both, but at least Hangouts does not install a sketchy client on my machine that constantly runs in the background.

I'm sorry, but Hangouts is terrible. It sucks on every level. The UI is so bad it's hard to believe. I wish I could sit down with their product team to get an explanation for how badly Hangouts is designed. Takes about 10s to see all the problems with it compared to Zoom.

I used to agree with you, until I discovered that (surprise, surprise) Hangouts works great on Chrome, not so much on other browsers.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by breakfastduck »

baal80spam wrote: post #20
rblatz wrote: post #9

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I don’t know what rock you are living under but everyone uses Zoom. Even Cisco sales reps use it for sales meetings and they own WebEx.

> everyone uses Zoom Well, my org uses Teams and I don't know anyone who uses Zoom professionally.

Well that must mean nobody uses it then. Huh.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by silurian »

saiya-jin wrote: post #51
iso1210 wrote: post #38

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Webex is so shockingly bad. Zoom, Teams, Slack, all seem to work fairly well, all have clients (and can run in the browser) Webex - which I have to use as part of a university course I'm doing on the side - requires you to run it in a browser on my OS, it has really awful options (like allowing the presenter to unmute people), half the claimed features just aren't available (virtual whiteboard, no major loss as every…

Must be your specific webex/connection settings/version then, we have it in our massive banking corps (90k+employees worldwide) and none of the things you describe are an issue. We have adopted it some 7 years ago. You don't need to run it in browser at all, there are desktop (and phone) clients for every major OS out there. This shows that you are really not familiar with it. Now it is still a crappy system, but for…

> there are desktop (and phone) clients for every major OS out there. This shows that you are really not familiar with

Now you sound as if you are not familiar with it. Looks like Webex added Linux(Deb & RHEL) on May 28, 2021. Before that, you had to use their legacy java applcation which also necessitated you to *manually* figure out, then hunt down & install the missing dependencies. And it was still shit.

Re: Stop using Zoom, Hamburg’s data protection agency warns state government

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Post by hef19898 »

badLiveware wrote: post #53
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #6

Offer a comparable alternative, then. I spend half my day on meetings either internally or with clients, and every time I have to jump on a client meeting with Microsoft Teams/Google Hangouts/WebEx/GotoMeeting because their company bans Zoom, it's a recipe for a fruitless meeting. Someone will fumble the sharing controls; screens will take forever to present; at least one person's microphone will become inaudible, st…

I believe that the government in Hamburg and the Bundeswehr are implementing(or has already) element and matrix. https://element.io/pro/federation-collaboration

The latter organisation is not necessarily a benchmark in IT, or organisation in general.
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