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Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by computer23 »

White_Wolf wrote: post #238
mauvehaus wrote: post #85

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I would get this vaccine yesterday if it were available. Shit, if I were planning on spending a lot of time in the woods (like, more than I already do), I would go to a vet and see if they would give me the one that's for dogs. Untreated Lyme messes people up. A whole bunch of people I knew who thru-hiked the Appalachian Trail in 2010 got Lyme. I did not get it, but I don't think I was appreciably more cautious than…

I'm not sure if this is up to date and anything else was done in terms of research but https://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2020/03/30/lyme-disease-bacte...

That article was written by long time conspiracy theorist Kris Newby.

Newby is the producer of a propaganda documentary for "chronic Lyme" called Under Our Skin, and also spreads conspiracy theories about bioweapons:

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/a-review-of-under-our-skin-...

https://theconversation.com/no-lyme-disease-is-not-an-escape...

The article itself is about in vitro experiments funded by other chronic lyme conspiracy theorists. It has nothing to do with human disease.

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Post by Teknoman117 »

wildmanx wrote: post #242
hitpointdrew wrote: post #239

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>but apparently some anti-vax propaganda and a class-action lawsuit essentially removed it from the market. Based on a very rare side effect. Wtf? How can that be? It wasn't "very rare" and the side effect was that it literally gave people lym disease. Why are vaccinations a political thing now, and if anyone raises any questions whatsoever on any vaccine they are "anit-vax".

> It wasn't "very rare" and the side effect was that it literally gave people lym disease. Again, 59 of 1.4 million. I call that "very rare". About half a million Americans get Lyme from ticks, every year. You do the math. Even if there is a causal connection to the shot (which has not been established) then that's still orders of magnitude lower than the risk of actually getting the bacteria in you if you somewhat f…

My dad spent 2 months getting over a nasty Lyme infection a few summers ago. Not fun at all.

I have a few scars from tick bites that I was lucky didn't cause any infections. Sign me up for whatever vaccines I can get for tick-borne things. I'd love to see the Lyme disease vaccine come back and I'd love to see something for AGS.

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Post by LorenPechtel »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #150
jemurray wrote: post #75

I know this is about Lyme disease, but let me add another word of caution while we are discussing ticks. Two years ago I was bit by the Lone Star tick. Since that time I developed an allergy to all red meat. It was hard to diagnose and a few of the doctors I worked with along the years still don’t believe its true. If your interested in learning more search for Alpha Gal. There is an excellent Radio Lab podcast about…

> It was hard to diagnose and a few of the doctors I worked with along the years still don’t believe its true. Did they offer alternative explanations or did they simply stonewall you and deny your reported symptoms? One of the lessons I learned far too late in life was to not waste time with doctors who don’t believe your reported symptoms. On some level I understand how it happens — Doctors inevitably see a number…

And they're far too eager to dismiss it as psychomatic if it doesn't fit their pigeonholes.

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Post by computer23 »

erichocean wrote: post #3
hannob wrote: post #2

The article touches this briefly: I think it's horrible that the antivax movement successfully managed to push a working lyme vaccine off the market, based on concerns that turned out to be false. Every time you get a tick you should remember that you could be safe from lyme, but the antivax movement took that away from us.

That's…not how the FDA, or science, or medicine works. Antivaxers have no power whatsoever.

The Lyme vaccine is still FDA approved. The company selling the vaccine took it off the market for business reasons.

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Post by shockeychap »

notabee wrote: post #285
pwenzel wrote: post #254

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I live in Minnesota and am being treated for Lyme disease for the second time in 15 months. It's no joke. The first time I got Lyme, it came with a painful shingles co-infection on top of the usual symptoms. Now the second time, I am again worried about getting sick with something else while in an immunocompromised state. The fatigue, fever, and back pain that came along this second time was worse than the first. I n…

Shingles is caused by varicella (chickenpox) virus that's already latent in your nerves. Really unlikely that it was a "co-infection", it just reactivated because your body was busy fighting Lyme.

I'm not sure what you think "co-infection" means, but you just described precisely that. The reactivation of shingles meant that he was simultaneously infected with two different agents. "Co-infection" (for me at least) implies nothing about how or where the secondary infection came from.

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Post by imwillofficial »

eganist wrote: post #38
imwillofficial wrote: post #25

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You say the word “propaganda” pretty loosely. I bet you also said “3 weeks to flatten the curve!”

> I bet you also said “3 weeks to flatten the curve!” The vaccines were working perfectly in that regard until we hit a wall of people unwilling to take them, which brought us in the US to where we are today when antivax lag hampered us from outrunning the delta variant. Iceland[1], with >70% vaccination rates, is seeing much different outcomes even in spite of record infections. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/wo…

> The vaccines were working perfectly in that regard until we hit a wall of people unwilling to take them,

This is misinformation. Israel has the highest vaccination rate in the world. 50% of their new cases are “breakthrough cases”

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Post by imwillofficial »

inter_netuser wrote: post #60
eganist wrote: post #38

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> I bet you also said “3 weeks to flatten the curve!” The vaccines were working perfectly in that regard until we hit a wall of people unwilling to take them, which brought us in the US to where we are today when antivax lag hampered us from outrunning the delta variant. Iceland[1], with >70% vaccination rates, is seeing much different outcomes even in spite of record infections. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/wo…

Iceland is reintroducing restrictions, possibly for years. Gibraltar at 99% vaccination rate is having an outbreak. If 99% vaccination rate will not achieve herd immunity, what will?

Stop with all your facts and numbers, people have a religion to follow.

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Post by imwillofficial »

bluGill wrote: post #130
imwillofficial wrote: post #25

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You say the word “propaganda” pretty loosely. I bet you also said “3 weeks to flatten the curve!”

> I bet you also said “3 weeks to flatten the curve!” No, if you check my comment history you will see that I said something along the lines of don't flatten the curve, kill it with longer, harsher lockdowns. Just search for my top downvoted posts. I still maintain that stance, two months of harsh worldwide lockdowns would have killed the spread completely and we would have been completely opened by the middle of las…

China did exactly this. It worked decently for them.

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Post by edmundsauto »

im3w1l wrote: post #290
only_as_i_fall wrote: post #288

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Doesn't this mean that if I were to get bitten by an infected tick the odds of contracting limes disease would be at least 4x lower? Seems like a big difference to me even at the low end of the range. Maybe I'm misapplying the efficacy stat though?

You would still have to monitor for ticks and if symptoms appear (more rare) you would treat it with antibiotics and be fine. This is a minor benefit.

You comment makes it sound like the worst part of Lyme disease is the anxiety over having to check for ticks. This is inaccurate - preventing 3/4 of Lyme infections is a massive net win.

Lyme disease can be horrible. The value is in vaccine is to prevent most cases, not to eliminate the annoying tick checks.

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Post by strbean »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #248
wildmanx wrote: post #245

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I'm all for being critical. I'd find it terrible if side effects are just ignored. I wouldn't take any vaccines if that's the case. But in this case, the facts are on the table. There is no scientific basis in pulling the vaccine from the market. But there was enough propaganda to stoke so much fear that everybody got scared and that was that.

Yep - and I live in Minnesota, I've had Lyme's before but it thankfully was an obvious rash that taking strong antibiotics for a few weeks took care of. I would take it if I could.

Spelling quibble: Lyme Disease, not Lyme's Disease. It is named after Lyme, Connecticut.
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