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5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

#61

Are satellite phones an option for privacy?

I think those can be used to track you even easier. Always remember that Dzhokhar Dudayev was killed with a laser guided missile fired from a Su-25 while he was using a sat phone.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev

I think the only safe option is E2E encrypted VoIP to a mobile phone used as a relay.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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post #52

I can't trust the authors when they start with a false premise: "The COVID-19 pandemic has suddenly raised the need for technological solutions capable to trace contacts of people and provide location-based analytics". No, it has not created any such "need". "It's for yours and _everyone's_ health" is the most common premise used to reduce privacy and increase control over people. No!

Yes. There is a demonstrable lack of need. Contact tracing has not worked and will not work for covid. As new variants emerge that spread faster, this will become even more true. The best measures against covid appear to be old fashioned common sense practices. Pay attention to yourself and if you’re sick stay home. Don’t cough, sneeze or breath on each other unnecessarily. Stand a bit further apart. Be outdoors more…

Even if it worked, it would be trading too much.

We already accepted destroying conviviality, limiting freedom of movement and taking a vaccine that has been fast tracked. At this point, I think I've done my part in concessions, especially in regards to following the directives of people and groups that have shown not to be trusted multiple times in the past and have been spreading so many contradictory messages in the last 2 years.

So no, officially accepting global tracking, in addition to the secret and scandalous one, is a no-go.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

#63
post #59

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It's more practical at this point to start weaning off carrying a phone at all times. Not necessarily going off grid into the woods, just not carrying it unless you'll need it for something specific that day. I'm not sure more tech is going to solve this issue, we're just digging the hole deeper.

would the easiest thing just be a foil lined "wallet" for your phone? No signal getting in or out of a faraday cage.

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Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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If you examine ancient (ie. 'pre-COVID') CDC documents for recommended responses to influenza Categories, based on the global CFR of 0.66 COVID is classed a 'category 3' influenza variant. Go to page 9 and see what was mandated for that: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pdf/community_mit... It was voluntary isolation of the sick, 'consider' shutting down of schools but only for 4 weeks or less, and to 'cons…

Impossible and fruitless? Contact tracing has been quite effective in Taiwan unless I’ve been completely fooled by propaganda. And contact tracing apps don’t require you to accept general location tracking. They anonymously exchange temporary tokens and, when you report yourself as a positive case, the tokens you’ve used in the past two weeks get uploaded to a central authority so that anyone who has received them ca…

Let's not forget about S Korea, they've even labeled some of the bigger outbreaks and identified where and how they've happened.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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post #60

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It seems like places that actually did “lockdown, wear a mask, and contact trace” did better. (No place in the US did lock downs as far as I know. Several places in China did. When you’re welding steel together to enforce it, it’s probably a lock down. When you’re politely asking people to try to only go to stores once per day, it’s not a lockdown.)

"When you’re welding steel together to enforce it" Is it not obvious that doesn't work in a normal, free society? It's painfully depressing to think otherwise.

Free societies do have provisions that allow for such things used with parsimony in times of great need.

When you're enforcing an actual lockdown, thankfully it only takes a few weeks and people can go back to normal for the next 2-3 months. The tradeoff to liberty and freedom is more complex than it seems.

For example, New Zealand did it successfully, and I'd say there was a lot more freedom thanks to the times with low restrictions despite the brief but strong lockdowns.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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post #23

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It seems like places that actually did “lockdown, wear a mask, and contact trace” did better. (No place in the US did lock downs as far as I know. Several places in China did. When you’re welding steel together to enforce it, it’s probably a lock down. When you’re politely asking people to try to only go to stores once per day, it’s not a lockdown.)

Ah, the no true scotsman fallacy. If only we had destroyed our health and economy harder , it would have worked!

Plenty of things in the world work like that. Half assing something often has worse side effects than whole-assing it. If we had 4 weeks of strict lockdowns and then returned to normal we would have both less covid, a better economy, and better mental health.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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post #33

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Not saying we should follow their lead, but China managed to do exactly that with stricter lockdowns, masks and contact tracing without regard for privacy. After the initial wave China was covid free, people could travel freely and the economy was booming.

China is still locking cities down this year.

Very few of them, and briefly, yes. In total the average chinese citizen would have spent much less time in lockdown.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

#68

If you examine ancient (ie. 'pre-COVID') CDC documents for recommended responses to influenza Categories, based on the global CFR of 0.66 COVID is classed a 'category 3' influenza variant. Go to page 9 and see what was mandated for that: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pdf/community_mit... It was voluntary isolation of the sick, 'consider' shutting down of schools but only for 4 weeks or less, and to 'cons…

>Go to page 9 and see what was mandated for that: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pdf/community_mit ... Interesting how COVID has killed more people than the "projected" (though how confident these projections are, who knows) number. And of course, that's with us taking stricter precautions than some of the suggestions.

Assuming those precautions actually work… which there is scant evidence of.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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post #16

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You have to be kidding. This strategy of lockdown, wear a mask, contact trace and wait for vaccines clearly isn't working. Are you suggesting that it would work if the government could track our locations better?

It seems like places that actually did “lockdown, wear a mask, and contact trace” did better. (No place in the US did lock downs as far as I know. Several places in China did. When you’re welding steel together to enforce it, it’s probably a lock down. When you’re politely asking people to try to only go to stores once per day, it’s not a lockdown.)

Which is why if you plot the chart of any interesting data and compare it between regions they loom pretty much the same regardless of how “serious” the region took it.

You can’t look at any of these charts and point to where mandates started and stopped.

It’s almost as if they didn’t do a damn thing and in fact made things much worse.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"When you’re welding steel together to enforce it" Is it not obvious that doesn't work in a normal, free society? It's painfully depressing to think otherwise.

Free societies do have provisions that allow for such things used with parsimony in times of great need. When you're enforcing an actual lockdown, thankfully it only takes a few weeks and people can go back to normal for the next 2-3 months. The tradeoff to liberty and freedom is more complex than it seems. For example, New Zealand did it successfully, and I'd say there was a lot more freedom thanks to the times with…

NZ and AU have military in the streets to keep people in line. They are barely a good example of anything.
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