Took around 5 unlatched ones off me this summer, about 5 more latched and unlatched from my dog and a few off my gf. We live close to a national park. Apparently the dog lyme vaccine is the same as the one that was approved for humans in the 90s. I wanted to buy it and shot myself with it. Theres some folks who say its fine.
A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way
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Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way
#232The article touches this briefly: I think it's horrible that the antivax movement successfully managed to push a working lyme vaccine off the market, based on concerns that turned out to be false. Every time you get a tick you should remember that you could be safe from lyme, but the antivax movement took that away from us.
You're oversimplifying the issue which is described in some detail in the article. Yes, the antivax movement is killing thousands of people with their opposition to COVID vaccines, but that doesn't mean every vaccine ever studied was good, or that the FDA is infallible.
I'm not saying it was good that Lymerix was pulled from the market. I think it's unclear. I just think we shouldn't let (justified) passion on one controversy cloud our understanding of another controversy.
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#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
The mice are the main component to the lyme lifecycle. There is a researcher working to give mice immunity using crispr. Generally, the deer are only overpopulating (at least to the extent you describe) in areas that aren't hunted, which also tend to be highly populated. It seems many people enjoy seeing the deer in their backyards and don't want their almost-pets to be killed, especially if it means it might have to…
> Generally, the deer are only overpopulating (at least to the extent you describe) in areas that aren't hunted Central Massachusetts has a very active deer hunting community. I never have any trouble filling my freezer with free venison every fall. But the deer population is still four times the sustainable level as set by the state Wildlife dept and local conservation groups. Hunting isn't necessarily enough to con…
It depends on a number of factors. Access is a huge one where I'm at. Public lands can be basically hunted out while the deer have moved onto private lands where nobody hunts and created huge herds (30+).
If your area doesn't have the access issue, then I would guess it could be an issue with the number of hunters - if there aren't enough, then they can't harvest the number required to bring down the population (or the limits make it difficult - seems like that's the case the way they handle doe permits). Many states have a program that allows hunters to donate their deer to a food bank through a participating butcher. This can make a big impact in areas that allow more harvests (MD allows 10 doe per year/season without any special permits).
Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way
#234Honestly, I live in the the WORST NY county for Lyme but it really isn't that big a deal. The country across in Vermont is Vermont's top Lyme county. And I live in the woods. Basically it's easily treated once you are fairly sure you have it with VERY MILD antibiotics that aren't super at risk for resistance. Getting Lyme is a pretty normal and common thing. Akin to catching a cold - it's simply inevitable but you wi…
There are people in this thread who have had people close to them die from Lyme disease complications, and the article describes the experience of an avid runner who has been sidelined by the disease.
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#235This one is a real weird forum. Class action against car manufacturer, Toyota, because of 200-400 injuries from airbags? GOOD! Class action against any medical product? VERY BAD! It’s like tainted blood transfusions, glyphosate, vioxx, fen-phen, thalidomide just never happened. I’m guessing the demographics is on the younger and still thinks they are made from steel.
Imagine if it was impossible for anyone to buy a car ever because when cars first went on the market 59 out of 1.4 million people who bought them got joint pain that may not have even been connected with the cars.
Let's see how self-driving regulation go first before you say that.
Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way
#236What shocks me most with this story is that there is a vaccine (Lymerix), and it's pretty effective (76-92 percent after three injections) but apparently some anti-vax propaganda and a class-action lawsuit essentially removed it from the market. Based on a very rare side effect. Wtf? How can that be? Just tell people the risks of side effects, and if they are ok with that risk then the manufacturer is off the hook.
I'd totally take that shot. 59 cases out of 1.4 million is nothing, and even for those it's unclear how they actually were related to the shot.
Sadly, this indicates that the new shot could suffer the same fate. Give it to a million people, some will for sure have some issue, anti-vaxers come with conspiracy theories and convince a few to a class action, and there we go, another few decades without a shot. Gotta be fast this time before it's too late again.
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many report chronic symptoms, who have been laughed at for decades. Chronic persistence (at least in some cases) has now been proven. Took someone with chronic lyme to donate the brain for research: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fneur.2021.6280...
Kris Kirstofferson was told by doctors that his memory loss was either Alzheimer's or Dementia. Another doctor finally decided to test him for lyme. Turns out he he probably got bitten by a tick shooting a movie 10 years prior to the positive test. https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/kris-kristofferson-an-o...
It wasn't Lyme. Kris Kirstofferson is a victim of quackery:
https://respectfulinsolence.com/2016/07/08/kris-kristofferso...
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#238As a US new england-er, this is game changer for walking through woods. For those un-informed, on a walk through any woods, you should always wear high socks, and do a full body check for ticks after. Deer ticks can be as small as a few grains of sand, and near undetectable if they latch on unless you have sharp eyes. Obviously they can transmit lymes. I had a close encounter a few years ago, but very luckily giant r…
I would get this vaccine yesterday if it were available. Shit, if I were planning on spending a lot of time in the woods (like, more than I already do), I would go to a vet and see if they would give me the one that's for dogs. Untreated Lyme messes people up. A whole bunch of people I knew who thru-hiked the Appalachian Trail in 2010 got Lyme. I did not get it, but I don't think I was appreciably more cautious than…
I'm not sure if this is up to date and anything else was done in terms of research but
https://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2020/03/30/lyme-disease-bacte...
Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way
#239What shocks me most with this story is that there is a vaccine (Lymerix), and it's pretty effective (76-92 percent after three injections) but apparently some anti-vax propaganda and a class-action lawsuit essentially removed it from the market. Based on a very rare side effect. Wtf? How can that be? Just tell people the risks of side effects, and if they are ok with that risk then the manufacturer is off the hook. I…
>but apparently some anti-vax propaganda and a class-action lawsuit essentially removed it from the market. Based on a very rare side effect. Wtf? How can that be?
It wasn't "very rare" and the side effect was that it literally gave people lym disease.
Why are vaccinations a political thing now, and if anyone raises any questions whatsoever on any vaccine they are "anit-vax".
Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way
#240What shocks me most with this story is that there is a vaccine (Lymerix), and it's pretty effective (76-92 percent after three injections) but apparently some anti-vax propaganda and a class-action lawsuit essentially removed it from the market. Based on a very rare side effect. Wtf? How can that be? Just tell people the risks of side effects, and if they are ok with that risk then the manufacturer is off the hook. I…
More on this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2870557/