Yet again, the difference between conspiracy theory and reality is 6-12 months.
On a long enough time frame, Alex Jones is always right.
That he is a 'performance artist playing a character'
5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing
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Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing
#52I can't trust the authors when they start with a false premise: "The COVID-19 pandemic has suddenly raised
the need for technological solutions capable to trace
contacts of people and provide location-based analytics".
No, it has not created any such "need". "It's for yours and _everyone's_ health" is the most common premise used to reduce privacy and increase control over people.
No!
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#53If you examine ancient (ie. 'pre-COVID') CDC documents for recommended responses to influenza Categories, based on the global CFR of 0.66 COVID is classed a 'category 3' influenza variant. Go to page 9 and see what was mandated for that: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pdf/community_mit... It was voluntary isolation of the sick, 'consider' shutting down of schools but only for 4 weeks or less, and to 'cons…
> We've ignored everything previously established for pandemic response. Looks like we actually forgot a lot also from much older events. The following is from over 100 years ago. https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/spanish-flu-... https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/07/16/multimedia/03even...
We did not forget. We did experiments with gauze face masks. Here’s one from 1920:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1362677/
I’m not aware of any recommendations to wear gauze face masks.
Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing
#54I can't trust the authors when they start with a false premise: "The COVID-19 pandemic has suddenly raised the need for technological solutions capable to trace contacts of people and provide location-based analytics". No, it has not created any such "need". "It's for yours and _everyone's_ health" is the most common premise used to reduce privacy and increase control over people. No!
Yes. There is a demonstrable lack of need. Contact tracing has not worked and will not work for covid. As new variants emerge that spread faster, this will become even more true. The best measures against covid appear to be old fashioned common sense practices. Pay attention to yourself and if you’re sick stay home. Don’t cough, sneeze or breath on each other unnecessarily. Stand a bit further apart. Be outdoors more.
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#55Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We've ignored everything previously established for pandemic response. Looks like we actually forgot a lot also from much older events. The following is from over 100 years ago. https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/spanish-flu-... https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/07/16/multimedia/03even...
We did not forget. We did experiments with gauze face masks. Here’s one from 1920: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1362677/ I’m not aware of any recommendations to wear gauze face masks.
I was referring in general to wearing masks, not strictly gauze ones. They probably realized afterwards that gauze ones weren't the most effective, but some of todays people jumped straight to refusing masks.
Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing
#56I can't trust the authors when they start with a false premise: "The COVID-19 pandemic has suddenly raised the need for technological solutions capable to trace contacts of people and provide location-based analytics". No, it has not created any such "need". "It's for yours and _everyone's_ health" is the most common premise used to reduce privacy and increase control over people. No!
> "It's for yours and _everyone's_ health" is the most common premise used to reduce privacy and increase control over people.
I feel this one is rather new. People are by now trained to recognize the "we need surveillance due to kiddy porn" pattern. Many people are still unaware that the assumptions underlying most of the covid counter-measures are flawed and not supported by the data.
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#57There have been dozens papers like this for years spelling out exactly just what 5G is good for.
It should be understood that there are papers about how to do both device free localization and identification with mm wave antenna arrays. Some of these papers explicitly mention that their methods are compatible with off the shelf 5G hardware.
From a marketing and business perspective, what do you think "edge computing" is all about? What do you think "internet of things" is really about? "Smart cities"? These slogans are all but bold faced exclamations of what was intended by technologies like this.
Where I live, last summer during the protests, the first place 5G towers was in the areas the protests were happening, in the midst of the protests. Why? Why did protestors in Hong Kong decide to cut them down? Why are the five eyes countries so concerned about the security risks of Huawei 5G hardware?
Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing
#58I can't trust the authors when they start with a false premise: "The COVID-19 pandemic has suddenly raised the need for technological solutions capable to trace contacts of people and provide location-based analytics". No, it has not created any such "need". "It's for yours and _everyone's_ health" is the most common premise used to reduce privacy and increase control over people. No!
> "It's for yours and _everyone's_ health" is the most common premise used to reduce privacy and increase control over people. I feel this one is rather new. People are by now trained to recognize the "we need surveillance due to kiddy porn" pattern. Many people are still unaware that the assumptions underlying most of the covid counter-measures are flawed and not supported by the data.
Whether the assumptions are flawed or not, the infrastructure necessary to track all the COVID cases and contacts is the same one that could be used to track all the Jews (substitute any minority group here).
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#59Librem/Pinephone's killer feature is going to be the baseband modem kill-switch. It's going to be the only way to opt out of this category of tracking.
It's more practical at this point to start weaning off carrying a phone at all times. Not necessarily going off grid into the woods, just not carrying it unless you'll need it for something specific that day. I'm not sure more tech is going to solve this issue, we're just digging the hole deeper.
would the easiest thing just be a foil lined "wallet" for your phone? No signal getting in or out of a faraday cage.
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#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have to be kidding. This strategy of lockdown, wear a mask, contact trace and wait for vaccines clearly isn't working. Are you suggesting that it would work if the government could track our locations better?
It seems like places that actually did “lockdown, wear a mask, and contact trace” did better. (No place in the US did lock downs as far as I know. Several places in China did. When you’re welding steel together to enforce it, it’s probably a lock down. When you’re politely asking people to try to only go to stores once per day, it’s not a lockdown.)
"When you’re welding steel together to enforce it"
Is it not obvious that doesn't work in a normal, free society? It's painfully depressing to think otherwise.