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Vaccination blunts, but does not defeat Delta

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Re: Vaccination blunts, but does not defeat Delta

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Post by benttoothpaste »

me_me_me wrote: post #165
bingohbangoh wrote: post #141

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Wearing a mask is not a small ask. If it was, attendance at bars, restaurants, shows, etc. would not fall off a cliff when imposed.

> Wearing a mask is not a small ask. Of course it is, I have been wearing mask for 2 years now. And I am wearing glasses. Is washing your hands too much to ask too? > If it was, attendance at bars, restaurants, shows, etc. That was due to social distancing and lockdowns, not masks.

> Is washing your hands too much to ask too?

For (too) many people washing hands is indeed too much to ask...

Re: Vaccination blunts, but does not defeat Delta

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Post by velcii »

the_dune_13 wrote: post #137
velcii wrote: post #127

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We don't really know because the even the phase 2 trials for these vaccines have not been done..

How come there are phase 3 results of Moderna? https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2035389

Try and see if you can find data for the phase 2 trials..

Re: Vaccination blunts, but does not defeat Delta

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Post by graderjs »

grepfru_it wrote: post #179
graderjs wrote: post #118

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Oh yeah definitely of course the immune system that already does that, the idea is just enhance its ability so that everyone has sort of Best in class defence against these viruses. it can be kind of slow on an individual level, but on a population level you will have some people who have evolved better defenses, or more resilient immune systems. If we can share that around that's the idea. It's very interesting thou…

I think that was the idea that spurred monoclonal antibodies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoclonal_antibody

Interesting, thanks. :)

Re: Vaccination blunts, but does not defeat Delta

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Post by packetlost »

bingohbangoh wrote: post #141
zuminator wrote: post #133

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There's an airbag in my car, but I also wear a seatbelt, obey the posted speed limits, use turn signals, stop at red traffic lights, and abstain from consuming alcohol while driving. This isn't "living in fear," it's observing reasonable caution in my daily life. I don't expect there will be "Zero accidents," but I want to avoid being injured and avoid causing injury to others. And I expect I'll keep taking these pre…

Wearing a mask is not a small ask. If it was, attendance at bars, restaurants, shows, etc. would not fall off a cliff when imposed.

It's funny, every time this gets brought up people always say "it's not that bad/inconvenient" as if their experience is the only one that matter. If you live where it's hot and humid climate, a cloth face covering will get extremely uncomfortable (and drenched) very quickly. Or god forbid you have glasses, long hair, and/or ear rings that get tangled constantly. I've smashed a pair of sunglasses on the concrete at least twice in the last year because of masks, and very nearly my prescription glasses (which are far more expensive). Not to mention the psychological harm of (mass) mask wearing.

Re: Vaccination blunts, but does not defeat Delta

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Post by packetlost »

0xdeadb00f wrote: post #169
zpeti wrote: post #163

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OK, so basically humanity so far was in the wrong for not wearing masks for cold, flu, and every other transmissible disease, and we should wear masks forever in public?

People have worn masks for all of those things. Have you ever set foot in an Asian country? (Or at least seem videos, pictures, media from one?). I've even witnessed mask wearing within the Asian communities in my (western) country. Long before covid mask wearing has been an insanely common thing to do when you're sick.

Yes, mask wearing when sick is very common there. The vast majority of people do not (or rather, did not) wear masks during normal day-to-day life. There is a massive difference between wearing a mask all the time when in public vs wearing one when you've got the sniffles.

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Post by oseityphelysiol »

me_me_me wrote: post #168
zpeti wrote: post #163

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OK, so basically humanity so far was in the wrong for not wearing masks for cold, flu, and every other transmissible disease, and we should wear masks forever in public?

YES! They did it in many asian countries before. When you feel under the weather you'd go to work/town in the mask not to spread. Also cold/flu cases are way down due to people masking up and cleaning hands. A lot of people complain about seatbelts being uncomfortable during driving, and yet its a law to wear them. Why?

That's not a sign of good hygiene, rather a sign of these countries dystopian work laws/ethics, where sick leave is apparently not a thing.

Re: Vaccination blunts, but does not defeat Delta

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Post by oseityphelysiol »

bakul wrote: post #161
oliv__ wrote: post #84

What I'm curious about is: what happens now? When everyone starts realizing that vaccines and masks can't fully contain a spread, what's the next logical step to take? Are people going to insist that you keep wearing your mask, take booster shots and live in fear for the next 50 years or are we going to collectively change our mindset from "Zero COVID" to accepting that COVID is just another risk factor in the world…

Perhaps this will be a spur to invent a better mask? I believe fear will subside as over time most people tend to adjust to new realities.

What you should hope to be invented is better vaccines/treatment.

Re: Vaccination blunts, but does not defeat Delta

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Post by xboxnolifes »

me_me_me wrote: post #168
zpeti wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, so basically humanity so far was in the wrong for not wearing masks for cold, flu, and every other transmissible disease, and we should wear masks forever in public?

YES! They did it in many asian countries before. When you feel under the weather you'd go to work/town in the mask not to spread. Also cold/flu cases are way down due to people masking up and cleaning hands. A lot of people complain about seatbelts being uncomfortable during driving, and yet its a law to wear them. Why?

Asking people to wear a mask when they feel sick is not the current ask.

Re: Vaccination blunts, but does not defeat Delta

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Post by peteradio »

the_dune_13 wrote: post #139
oliv__ wrote: post #70

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As far as "belief" goes, you're the one on the side of belief here. All the data and numbers show the risk is incredibly low for someone like you (provided you don't have an auto-immune disease)

I would love to see the "data" for incredible low risk? BTW low risk of hospitalization or long covid and brain fogs?

See this comment for my own personal risk: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28109526

(Slightly out of date as we've seen cases rise considerably since 8 days ago)

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