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Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by jmspring »

"Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You" but following other posts... "Does he respect you in the morning?"

I'm sorry, but re: FaceTime, not opening it up is old news. There is probably more traction in following what is going on in the RTCWeb world than there is in any particular company's opening of their video calling API. Keeping eyeballs in the realm of the proprietary app is key.

Many companies are in paying attention to WebRTC, but it's not there yet. Some companies, I suspect, like Apple, probably don't care (at least for now). It's better to focus on the primary customer experience.

Speaking of experience, I haven't researched, but how do the assorted non-facetime apps compare w/ facetime?

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by funthree »

dasil003 wrote: post #110
funthree wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You lied. You said something that turned out to be a lie (an inaccurate or false statement) and although people have trouble hearing the word, it doesn't make it any less true. You do not fit a few of the definitions of "lie" but you fit at least one. edit: to all the downvoters, pick up a dictionary

Here's one for you to look up: connotation.

Just because there is a negative connotation around a word doesn't make it less than true. Connotation has little if anything to do with technicality.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by theschwa »

ugh wrote: post #84
Steko wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where does linkbaiting rate on this scale?

Linkbaiting? Harmless. Also: I’m pretty sure that the author of this article actually believes that Jobs was lying. It’s not linkbaiting if the headline reflects the author’s beliefs.

People will stop linkbaiting once people stop being more attracted to linkbait. You can either use unsensational titles in protest, or write a title that will make people read your story. I apologize ahead of time for being realistic.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by dasil003 »

funthree wrote: post #112
dasil003 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's one for you to look up: connotation.

Just because there is a negative connotation around a word doesn't make it less than true. Connotation has little if anything to do with technicality.

The connotation at hand is "willful" not negative per se. Anyway, the important thing is what the communicator means. You can't just open up a dictionary and say, "look, one of these definitions invalidates the thesis of your sentence."

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by JacobAldridge »

rdl wrote: post #28

I might care more if I'd ever actually observed someone using FaceTime. I have 3 MacBooks, an iPad, an iPhone 4, my coworkers and girlfriend and friends have FaceTime compatible devices too, but I've never seen anyone use it. Maybe they don't open it because it is a dead product.

I've used it a few times (for international video calls, easier and more reliable than Skype). My anec-data is that many people don't know what it is or what it does. I've introduced it to about half a dozen iPhone 4 users.

There's also the anec-data for me that video chat is just meh. I'm about to jump onto a skype call with an international colleague - do I want him to see me in my t-shirt on the couch? No. Do I want to shave, suit up, and head to me home office? No. So voice call it is for me in a majority of situations - only I believe FaceTime is either video or nothing, with no voice-only option.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by JoachimSchipper »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #78
ryanisinallofus wrote: post #14

My wife: "Will you take the trash out?" Me: "Yeah, for sure. I'll take it out tonight." Tonight rolls by and the next day she tells me "You didn't take out the trash. You lied." Did I lie? Or did I have honest intentions of taking out the trash with circumstances getting in the way? Maybe I just forgot? I don't presume to know Jobs' intentions but without a history of lying during presentations I'm going to assume hi…

It took me too long to figure this out. There are some people to truly, and passionately, believe something they say to you, and realistically they personally can't make it happen so you can't really bank on that 'promise.' I used to think those people were lying to take advantage, but as I've gotten older I have come to recognize that these 'yes' people get promoted a lot. And for some of them, they really do believ…

Good point in general, but Jobs can "personally make it happen".

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by sim0n »

rdl wrote: post #28

I might care more if I'd ever actually observed someone using FaceTime. I have 3 MacBooks, an iPad, an iPhone 4, my coworkers and girlfriend and friends have FaceTime compatible devices too, but I've never seen anyone use it. Maybe they don't open it because it is a dead product.

I use it when I need to speak with my parents (them being in the UK and me in US). Skype is a bit over the top for them so Facetime works great.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by bigfudge »

spoondan wrote: post #79
makmanalp wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be honest, I have a hard time believing that Apple doesn't have an internal protocol spec for FaceTime and created the protocol willy nilly. Which makes me question how hard it could possibly be to submit an open draft to a standards body. Changing your mind is usually okay, but when you push being open as a big feature and then don't pursue it, people can't help but feel baited and switched.

I have a hard time believing that Apple doesn't have an internal protocol spec for FaceTime and created the protocol willy nilly. You can design something very intentionally without ever having compiled a spec for it. There are certainly design notes, e-mail conversations, and, of course, the code itself to document the protocol for internal purposes. Which makes me question how hard it could possibly be to submit an…

And more importantly, FaceTime has only been out a year... Right now apple has the clout to force a protocol upgrade on everyone within 1 or 2 software revisions. Opened, they'd lose that, and my guess is that they want to be _sure_ before they release it.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by abrahamsen »

ryanisinallofus wrote: post #14

My wife: "Will you take the trash out?" Me: "Yeah, for sure. I'll take it out tonight." Tonight rolls by and the next day she tells me "You didn't take out the trash. You lied." Did I lie? Or did I have honest intentions of taking out the trash with circumstances getting in the way? Maybe I just forgot? I don't presume to know Jobs' intentions but without a history of lying during presentations I'm going to assume hi…

On Steve Jobs lying during presentations: http://sivers.org/itunes
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