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A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by inter_netuser »

voisin wrote: post #49
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've pulled four of the little bastards off me, this summer (so far). They have gotten much worse, in the last few years (Long Island, NY). I also know a few (several) folks that have had very bad, life-changing debilitation, as a result of Lyme. I'm aware of one (that I never met), who died from complications of Lyme. I also have a family member, that got it pretty badly, recovered completely, and now seems to be im…

How are you getting checked? I understood (perhaps wrongly) that the blood tests are only accurate well beyond the window with which the medications are effective, creating a chicken and egg issue.

why is there a window? people report recovery after several years with an appropriate treatment.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by mind-blight »

I'm so happy to see this. My dad suffered from Lyme's for years. He died 3 months ago due to Lyme's related complications. I really hope more people don't have to go what he went through.

It's also comforting (I'm a misery loves company kind of way) to know other other people are dealing with, and trying to fight, the disease. It makes dealing with everything feel a bit less lonely

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by contravariant »

> a relatively uncommon treatment for Lyme in which doctors siphon some blood, blast it with electromagnetic waves, and then drip it back into the bloodstream

That's a weird description, depending on what kind of waves this could be anything from microwaving the blood to blasting it with UV or just shining some rainbow coloured lights on it.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by rvz »

mschuster91 wrote: post #19
inter_netuser wrote: post #10

This one is a real weird forum. Class action against car manufacturer, Toyota, because of 200-400 injuries from airbags? GOOD! Class action against any medical product? VERY BAD! It’s like tainted blood transfusions, glyphosate, vioxx, fen-phen, thalidomide just never happened. I’m guessing the demographics is on the younger and still thinks they are made from steel.

There were 1.4M doses administered: > The FDA found only 59 such adverse events out of 1.4 million doses administered, and did not find direct scientific evidence that the Lyme vaccine had caused them. Still, the questions over possible unintended effects were enough to dampen enthusiasm, especially after 121 Lymerix recipients filed a class-action lawsuit against the vaccine’s manufacturer. Reminds me of the entire…

> Reminds me of the entire clusterfuck around the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine, with the difference that politicians this time at least pushed for getting vaccinated simply to stop the pandemic.

The media in the UK (Especially the BBC) tried to gaslight the British public with the AZ vaccine and using the 'tHErE iS moStLy nO eVIdEncE' trick repeatedly whilst the reports and concerns of blood clots forming in young people kept increasing.

It was enough from them to not recommend the AstraZeneca vaccine to them and instead give them Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

voisin wrote: post #49
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've pulled four of the little bastards off me, this summer (so far). They have gotten much worse, in the last few years (Long Island, NY). I also know a few (several) folks that have had very bad, life-changing debilitation, as a result of Lyme. I'm aware of one (that I never met), who died from complications of Lyme. I also have a family member, that got it pretty badly, recovered completely, and now seems to be im…

How are you getting checked? I understood (perhaps wrongly) that the blood tests are only accurate well beyond the window with which the medications are effective, creating a chicken and egg issue.

Not exactly sure. I made an appointment. First time I've done that. It may just be a "put it on the record" visit, with follow-ups in some months.

My relative didn't find out, until he had a cantaloupe for a kneecap. They tested the fluid, and found lots of Lyme.

He's always getting bit. Deer pass through his backyard, on a regular.

He said the treatment was anticlimactic. A course of oral antibiotics.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by inter_netuser »

yodsanklai wrote: post #46

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_Lyme_disease > Chronic Lyme disease (CLD) is the name used by some people with "a broad array of illnesses or symptom complexes for which there is no reproducible or convincing scientific evidence of any relationship to Borrelia burgdorferi infection" to describe their condition and their beliefs about its cause. (TLDR; lot of misinformation about Lyme disease)

Take a look: https://www.frontiersin.org/files/Articles/628045/fneur-12-6...

These are spirochetes in the brain/spine of a dead patient who had proven lyme diagnosis, has been given the standard treatment in the past, never recovered, developed dementia, died.

Full study: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fneur.2021.6280...

The wikipedia article you are quoting is outdated misinformation, please stop spreading it.

the wiki article is indeed misinformation.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by somehnacct3757 »

jankotek wrote: post #52
zz865 wrote: post #48

Lyme is just one of the horrible diseases ticks carry. Would be nice to cull most of the deer in the North East. A few decades ago they were rare, now they're everywhere.

Better to eradicate ticks.

The deer themselves are a problem in the northeast. They are greatly overpopulated and eat the native understory, preventing the next generation of trees from growing past adolescence. As the existing trees slowly die, there will be none younger to replace them.

This also clears out the competition to the benefit of non-native plants, which the deer don't eat. Some of these plants are invasive, such as japanese barberry, and render large areas untraversable. Not to mention the bramble is an excellent home for rodents, another major tick carrier.

If you want to reduce ticks, deer are a critical element of their lifecycle.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by resoluteteeth »

inter_netuser wrote: post #10

This one is a real weird forum. Class action against car manufacturer, Toyota, because of 200-400 injuries from airbags? GOOD! Class action against any medical product? VERY BAD! It’s like tainted blood transfusions, glyphosate, vioxx, fen-phen, thalidomide just never happened. I’m guessing the demographics is on the younger and still thinks they are made from steel.

Imagine if it was impossible for anyone to buy a car ever because when cars first went on the market 59 out of 1.4 million people who bought them got joint pain that may not have even been connected with the cars.

Re: A shot to prevent Lyme disease could be on its way

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Post by inter_netuser »

eganist wrote: post #38
imwillofficial wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say the word “propaganda” pretty loosely. I bet you also said “3 weeks to flatten the curve!”

> I bet you also said “3 weeks to flatten the curve!” The vaccines were working perfectly in that regard until we hit a wall of people unwilling to take them, which brought us in the US to where we are today when antivax lag hampered us from outrunning the delta variant. Iceland[1], with >70% vaccination rates, is seeing much different outcomes even in spite of record infections. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/wo…

Iceland is reintroducing restrictions, possibly for years. Gibraltar at 99% vaccination rate is having an outbreak.

If 99% vaccination rate will not achieve herd immunity, what will?

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