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5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by Traubenfuchs »

andrey_utkin wrote: post #20
perihelions wrote: post #13

Librem/Pinephone's killer feature is going to be the baseband modem kill-switch. It's going to be the only way to opt out of this category of tracking.

I imagine people caring about that could be shopping specifically for (any) pre-5G phones and networks. Might have an effect of holding up the deprecation of 4G as the first mover network will be economically punished.

> Might have an effect

I think you vastly overestimate the amount of people that really care about this and won't just get the latest iphone/Android they can afford once their old phone's screen is too cracked and the battery too aged.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by sokoloff »

choward wrote: post #16
dirtyid wrote: post #11

There's a practical need for technological solution which can mitigate pandemics at scale. We went from historic cordon sanitaires that lasted multiple years to ~12 months for mrna vaccines. Effective contact tracing that enables societies to "live" with the virus while vaccine rollout is logical next step. Of course the chance of system being exploited in societies with the political appetite to actually enforce suc…

You have to be kidding. This strategy of lockdown, wear a mask, contact trace and wait for vaccines clearly isn't working. Are you suggesting that it would work if the government could track our locations better?

It seems like places that actually did “lockdown, wear a mask, and contact trace” did better. (No place in the US did lock downs as far as I know. Several places in China did. When you’re welding steel together to enforce it, it’s probably a lock down. When you’re politely asking people to try to only go to stores once per day, it’s not a lockdown.)

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by tazjin »

sokoloff wrote: post #22
choward wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to be kidding. This strategy of lockdown, wear a mask, contact trace and wait for vaccines clearly isn't working. Are you suggesting that it would work if the government could track our locations better?

It seems like places that actually did “lockdown, wear a mask, and contact trace” did better. (No place in the US did lock downs as far as I know. Several places in China did. When you’re welding steel together to enforce it, it’s probably a lock down. When you’re politely asking people to try to only go to stores once per day, it’s not a lockdown.)

Ah, the no true scotsman fallacy. If only we had destroyed our health and economy harder, it would have worked!

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by CorrectHorseBat »

choward wrote: post #16
dirtyid wrote: post #11

There's a practical need for technological solution which can mitigate pandemics at scale. We went from historic cordon sanitaires that lasted multiple years to ~12 months for mrna vaccines. Effective contact tracing that enables societies to "live" with the virus while vaccine rollout is logical next step. Of course the chance of system being exploited in societies with the political appetite to actually enforce suc…

You have to be kidding. This strategy of lockdown, wear a mask, contact trace and wait for vaccines clearly isn't working. Are you suggesting that it would work if the government could track our locations better?

Not saying we should follow their lead, but China managed to do exactly that with stricter lockdowns, masks and contact tracing without regard for privacy.

After the initial wave China was covid free, people could travel freely and the economy was booming.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by sokoloff »

tazjin wrote: post #23
sokoloff wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like places that actually did “lockdown, wear a mask, and contact trace” did better. (No place in the US did lock downs as far as I know. Several places in China did. When you’re welding steel together to enforce it, it’s probably a lock down. When you’re politely asking people to try to only go to stores once per day, it’s not a lockdown.)

Ah, the no true scotsman fallacy. If only we had destroyed our health and economy harder , it would have worked!

It was more an expression of frustration that what we did in the US was economically, psychologically, and socially destructive while not maximizing the possible benefit.

I don’t know if the hill on the right or the one on the left had a higher peak, but it sure does seem like we managed to wade through the river in the valley in the middle.

“Don’t let some businesses be open, but let some of their competitors stay open, wear a T-shirt over your mouth, and gather in groups of not more than six before dispersing to forage for food in the supermarkets as often as you like.” How could that possibly fail to contain a contagious disease?

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by swiley »

thombles wrote: post #15

> We argue that privacy enhancement technologies, albeit highly advisable, might not be strictly necessary, in front of the recent push of operators to enforce privacy via organizational measures. The cynic in me says this is true - not because this is anywhere near sufficient to allay the concerns of privacy advocates, but because it will allay the concerns of legislators and most people who are subject to it won't…

T-Mobile has been doing a fantastic job. No need to think through privacy issues or use open and trust-less technologies, just let the administrators handle it.

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by swiley »

rtz121 wrote: post #4

Yet again, the difference between conspiracy theory and reality is 6-12 months.

I posted ~8 months ago (albeit on an anonymous forum) that those really stupid 5g conspiracy theories might be a coverup for the privacy implications of 5g (my meta conspiracy theory if you will.)

Re: 5G and Beyond for Contact Tracing

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Post by kook_throwaway »

CorrectHorseBat wrote: post #24
choward wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to be kidding. This strategy of lockdown, wear a mask, contact trace and wait for vaccines clearly isn't working. Are you suggesting that it would work if the government could track our locations better?

Not saying we should follow their lead, but China managed to do exactly that with stricter lockdowns, masks and contact tracing without regard for privacy. After the initial wave China was covid free, people could travel freely and the economy was booming.

>After the initial wave China was covid free

I don't believe this for one second.

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