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Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by dredmorbius »

palish wrote: post #50
saturn wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No offence, but only an American could make the argument that because their weight has stayed "only" between 95kg and 100kg that they are living proof that people can eat what they want and not get fat. Unless you are a bodybuilder, which I am guessing you are not since they most certainly do care about what they eat, you are likely considered overweight in every other country on earth.

Well, here I am. Judge for yourself: http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/24114_337315700... I drink over half gallon of soda a day, and survive mostly on $1 McChickens. So I'm either a freak of nature, or we don't know as much as we think we do about nature.

It's a little hard to judge from a fully-clothed shot, but I'd estimate your body fat at about 25%-30% based on your face, and what appears to be a pretty soft abdomen.

Given your weight of 220#, that means you're carrying about 55-66# of fat on you. Drop that to 10-15% (a pretty good athletic range) without losing muscle, and you'd be somewhere in the 170 - 190# range.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by dredmorbius »

palish wrote: post #69
JanezStupar wrote: post #67

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Dude I hate to break you're little bubble - but you fat. You might not be as hopelessly obese as people you are used to calling fat. But the truth is you are fat too. You don't look healthy either and with continuing your lifestyle like you do, You are a ticking timebomb of diabetes, cholesterol issues, gout and other nasty metabolic diseases. Take an example of my mother, she is 70 and has developed both gout and di…

This is very possible too. What's the criteria for judging "healthy"? I mean, I have no ego, and I'm not doing this out of narcissism or some silliness like that. I genuinely care about "the truth". So if the truth is I don't look healthy, then I'd like to know why. I was just about run up to the local gas station and buy a $0.72 44oz Cherry Coke, then run up to McDonalds and grab a McChicken for $1.09, then head bac…

"Healthy" means free of disease.

"Fit" is another matter, and it implies "for a purpose" or toward some goal.

I'd start with a mix of body composition (your body fat percentage, nut just scale weight, and certainly not some crap bogus metric like BMI). You can come up with a pretty good estimate just by eyeballing, or you can take tape or caliper measures and run them through a model. A good online site for same: http://www.linear-software.com/online.html

If you want some fitness basics a good start is here: http://liamrosen.com/fitness.html

For books, "The New Rules of Lifting" is decent. You can do the workouts at home, though a gym helps: http://www.amazon.com/New-Rules-Lifting-Maximum-Muscle/dp/15...

I actually prefer a good 5x5 program for beginners (simpler, brutally effective). Check out http://stronglifts.com or look up Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength .

Fitness metrics: body fat, strength, speed, flexibility, endurance, heart rate, lipids, etc.

I've worked in tech for 20 years. I've contributed to some major open source projects and worked at some significant organizations. I've also taken fitness pretty seriously after letting it slide. I do lift weights, hike, bike, swim and row. What you do with it is up to you, but I've found that the investment pays off very high dividends.

I've eaten at a McDonalds once in the last 20 years. That's not food. Neither is Coke refreshment.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by dredmorbius »

KristenM wrote: post #34
palish wrote: post #31

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Hi, welcome to Hacker News. People around here are a bit conspiracy-theoryish (conspirical?) but overall the atmosphere is good and the conversation is interesting. Thanks for contributing.

Thanks. I wouldn't have known about Hacker News at all, except that you've sent me 2,000+ visitors (and counting) today. Looks like an interesting site.

Heh!

Well, for context: this is a news-aggregator site run by a venture capital / incubator company, and inhabited by a bunch of really serious techies.

Who would have a rather more diverse range of experiences on health and fitness than your initial prejudices might lead you to believe.

Enjoy your visit.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

#95

Post by praptak »

seandougall wrote: post #63

Sigh... I for one am getting extremely tired of people freaking out because they see organic chemical names among the ingredients that go into food. Lots and lots of perfectly ordinary and harmless chemical compounds (e.g. ethyl butyrate, valencine) have scary-sounding names, and lots of toxic ones don't. If you want to educate yourself, pick up a copy of _On Food and Cooking_ by Harold McGee, and learn about what th…

"I for one would not be the slightest bit bothered if somebody added orange juice to my orange juice."

Me neither but the deoxygenated-reflavored juice just tastes crappy, so I'm all for a law obligating the producers to disclose this practice and stop misleading people with the "100% natural juice not from concentrate" bullshit.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by access_denied »

Pointsly wrote: post #16
martey wrote: post #6

I don't think that the health conclusions of this piece (don't drink orange juice from the supermarket!) are warranted. All the sources listed in it lead back to Alissa Hamilton's book "Squeezed." While not having read it, all of the information I can find suggest that Hamilton is not trying to suggest that orange juice is unhealthy. For example, this interview in the Boston Globe - http://articles.boston.com/2009-02…

Regardless of the health conclusions - you can't deny the amount of sugar in single cup - absolutely contributes to the obesity we are all facing.

There exist different types of sugar. Sugar in coke is different from sugar in milk or sugar in an orange. Even the same tpyes of sugar come in different ways: the sugar in coke is the same 'type' as the one in the sugar beet - only it's not. It's a chemical made in factories.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by sandGorgon »

palish wrote: post #69
JanezStupar wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude I hate to break you're little bubble - but you fat. You might not be as hopelessly obese as people you are used to calling fat. But the truth is you are fat too. You don't look healthy either and with continuing your lifestyle like you do, You are a ticking timebomb of diabetes, cholesterol issues, gout and other nasty metabolic diseases. Take an example of my mother, she is 70 and has developed both gout and di…

This is very possible too. What's the criteria for judging "healthy"? I mean, I have no ego, and I'm not doing this out of narcissism or some silliness like that. I genuinely care about "the truth". So if the truth is I don't look healthy, then I'd like to know why. I was just about run up to the local gas station and buy a $0.72 44oz Cherry Coke, then run up to McDonalds and grab a McChicken for $1.09, then head bac…

based on your spice tolerance, thai food is the best option.

It usually uses flat rice noodles (which just need to be soaked... not even cooked) and thousands of stirfries made possible with ready pastes and a few veggies/meat. I would bet that you can whip some up under 5 minutes.

And diet coke will not cause your body to have the same insulin response as sugar based drinks.

Also, go read fittit (/r/fitness)

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by palish »

dredmorbius wrote: post #93
KristenM wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. I wouldn't have known about Hacker News at all, except that you've sent me 2,000+ visitors (and counting) today. Looks like an interesting site.

Heh! Well, for context: this is a news-aggregator site run by a venture capital / incubator company, and inhabited by a bunch of really serious techies. Who would have a rather more diverse range of experiences on health and fitness than your initial prejudices might lead you to believe. Enjoy your visit.

Apologies, Kristen. dredmorbius has perhaps shown us that we haven't had as many diverse ranges of "not being arrogant" experiences and "she didn't say anything about us so why are you talking about 'initial prejudice'" experiences and "dredmorbius has only been here 15 days" experiences as we've had of health and fitness experiences, apparently.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by roel_v »

dredmorbius wrote: post #91
palish wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, here I am. Judge for yourself: http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/24114_337315700... I drink over half gallon of soda a day, and survive mostly on $1 McChickens. So I'm either a freak of nature, or we don't know as much as we think we do about nature.

It's a little hard to judge from a fully-clothed shot, but I'd estimate your body fat at about 25%-30% based on your face, and what appears to be a pretty soft abdomen. Given your weight of 220#, that means you're carrying about 55-66# of fat on you. Drop that to 10-15% (a pretty good athletic range) without losing muscle, and you'd be somewhere in the 170 - 190# range.

"It's a little hard to judge from a fully-clothed shot,"

Be careful there - next thing you know he's going to post a photo in his underwear. All for science, of course ;)

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by roel_v »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #72
palish wrote: post #26

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I deny that it contributes to obesity for all people. I believe no one can actually claim people understand nutrition --- in the same way we understand Newtonian physics, for example. I've never cared about what I eat. If I want something, I eat it. When I'm full, I stop. Over the last two years, my weight has stayed between 210lbs and 220lbs. I'm lucky. But I'm also a datapoint. Since some people can simply not care…

I add it here, because at your more inner post there's no reply link. If you think Chicken McNuggets have a lot to do with chicken, think again. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_McNuggets "As of October 9, 2010, the ingredients are as follows: Chicken, water, salt, sodium phosphates. Battered and breaded with: bleached wheat flour, water, wheat flour, food starch-modified, salt, spices, wheat gluten, paprika…

Your post does not in any way prove that there isn't a lot of chicken in a McNugget (I don't know anything about them, so not claiming there is or isn't). Just because there are a lot of added ingredients, if the overall mass of the chicken is 95% (some made up number, again I don't know anything about this), it's not true that McNuggets 'don't have a lot to do with chicken'.
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