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Re: Swiping left on magnetic stripes

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If you want to do it faster, you need government regulation. Magnetic stripes have been phased out in the EU for a couple of years. And additionally online card payments all require 2FA in EU.

As a result, there's barely any credit card fraud in Europe.

You can't expect the industry to invest in infrastructure if dealing with fraud is cheaper in the short term. You need to force them.

Re: Swiping left on magnetic stripes

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Where’s the bottleneck? Gas stations. The gas station industry has been avoiding upgrading pumps. It's expensive. Retail checkouts usually just need a replacement of the desktop unit, but gas pumps require actual modification. They got a 3-year delay, until October 2020. Then April 17, 2021. Then they got hit by the coronavirus epidemic. The upgrade has to be done by a qualified installer; you don't want someone who…

Also some retail places. Home Depot is a huge retailer in the USA, but they will not accept contactless payments. I assume it has something to do with having to pay a higher percent per transaction.

Contactless is not more expensive per transaction.

Re: Swiping left on magnetic stripes

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That's interesting, maybe we adopted contactless payments faster in part because in our gas stations you'd usually pay inside the shop. I have to think that was only one of many reasons, though.

Partly that, and the USA's much higher car dependence in general. I'd wager the average adult in the USA spends more time in a petrol station than the average European.

Quick googling gave me average US car consumption 25 mpg vs 57 mpg in EU.

Edit: Bad googling, sorry. 57 mpg was proposed for new cars.

Re: Swiping left on magnetic stripes

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Living in Europe, I genuinely had no idea cards with magnetic stripes were still in use. I thought everything used chips nowadays. I still prefer my card for contactless payments though; using my phone is not really much more convenient since my phone case holds the card anyway and it at least works consistently.

It's more convenient if you need to pay more than 25 EUR (or whatever the limit is where you live), where you need to use your PIN with contactless card.

Or you use contactless payment with your phone which then does not have a 25 EUR limit (actually I think these days it is more like 50 EUR) since the phone supplies some form of authentication, which a plain contactless card can't.

Re: Swiping left on magnetic stripes

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Canada was a lot quicker on the uptake with both chips and tap for whatever reason.

Less than a dozen major banks makes it pretty easily to roll out these systems in Canada.

Good point. I also imagine just altogether less hardware to replace overall given the much smaller population.

Re: Swiping left on magnetic stripes

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The USA is a big holdup. I just traveled across the country and there are still filling (petrol) stations where the only card reader is stripe. See also other comments about the stripe being a fallback for chip as chip readers on POS terminals seem to be more fragile than magnetic stripe readers. FWIW, Contactless is very hit-or-miss for me in the US; about 1/3 the time it just doesn't work at all (even with multiple…

Yea, the Achilles Heel of contactless (or phone/NFC) in the USA is the uncertainty that it's supported and the terrible UX for failure cases. How many times have you had this happen? Your groceries are all rung up and the POS terminal is waiting. You dig out your phone or contactless card and try to invoke the contactless payment system. Nothing's happening. You wave it around a little. Still nothing. Grocery cashier…

All of my cards have the tap to pay symbol, so all I do is tap the card and it works pretty much every time. If it does not, then I insert it into the chip reader.

Since cards can have tap to pay, chip, and stripe all on the same card, I do not see the uncertainty in merchants supporting it to be an Achilles heel since you will have the card anyway. It might be an Achilles heel for Apple Pay/Google Pay, but not contactless/tap to pay in general.

Re: Swiping left on magnetic stripes

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The USA is a big holdup. I just traveled across the country and there are still filling (petrol) stations where the only card reader is stripe. See also other comments about the stripe being a fallback for chip as chip readers on POS terminals seem to be more fragile than magnetic stripe readers. FWIW, Contactless is very hit-or-miss for me in the US; about 1/3 the time it just doesn't work at all (even with multiple…

> Contactless is very hit-or-miss for me in the US; about 1/3 the time it just doesn't work at all That's a shockingly high number. I'm in Canada, and I'd take a rough guess that maybe 1-2% of taps fail on first try. Most of the time it works on a second try -- and I actually think that usually happens when the POS system is slow and you tap too early. And in cases where it really is just not working, the fallback is…

I am in the US and I have been using tap to pay for a few years now with consistent success. And as you wrote, if it does not, you just insert the chip. But that seems rare.

Re: Swiping left on magnetic stripes

#238

Still a LOT of merchants that need to upgrade equipment to do chip cards including some large franchises. There is a real problem that chip reading devices do not yet have anywhere near the longevity that magswipe use does. Machines go out of service for repair and cleaning after as little as a month of use in busy locations. Magstripe machines typically lasted 12 months plus before needing attention.

In Finland they motivated the stores to upgrade by telling them that after date X they would be responsible for any fraudulent transactions done with a magstrip. The transition went really fucking fast after that =)

This has been the case in the US for two years. Lots of merchants including some very large one don't really care. Fraud is relatively small in comparison to technology and maintenance costs.

Re: Swiping left on magnetic stripes

#239

Still a LOT of merchants that need to upgrade equipment to do chip cards including some large franchises. There is a real problem that chip reading devices do not yet have anywhere near the longevity that magswipe use does. Machines go out of service for repair and cleaning after as little as a month of use in busy locations. Magstripe machines typically lasted 12 months plus before needing attention.

In Finland they motivated the stores to upgrade by telling them that after date X they would be responsible for any fraudulent transactions done with a magstrip. The transition went really fucking fast after that =)

This already happened in the US a few years ago.

Re: Swiping left on magnetic stripes

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WePay and Alipay have their dual in CashApp and Venmo. The only difference being that Alipay has a lot more institutional support, ie. you can scan your QR code at the grocery store - not the case with Venmo (yet).

Venmo offers debit and you can add the card to your wallet

I do not understand the purpose of Venmo. It seems like an unnecessary middleman.
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