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Afghans are racing to erase their online lives

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Re: Afghans are racing to erase their online lives

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Since the Taliban are now the government they probably have access to the previous military employment databases so even if they erase their online lives, clean up their phone... They might find who they are and punish them (torture, death) for working with the "enemy".

If the Taliban are really smart, they don't do any of that for quite a while. That would give them a ton of legitimation internationally.

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99% of afghanis believe Sharia law should be the law of the land. [0] Finally they are free from their foreign oppressor, and they can go back to having their country ruled as they please. Anyone who believes in democracy will agree to this [0] https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-relig... Edit: the Taliban also outlaws the Afghani and Pakistani tradition of Bacha Bazi - the widespread custom of rap…

that poll is not suspect at all. nu uh.

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Friendly reminder that when you delete your discord account, they don't delete your statements, just strip the account name from them, similar to how Github is doing it with their ghost account. For Github, I sort of understand it. For discord, it feels very dangerous to me.

I like that. If someone's sent me a message in the past, they shouldnt be able to retroactively reach into my computer and remove it.

There is you not wanting to delete information from a public web service when they ask and there is people dying because you wouldn't delete information from a public web service.

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Unpopular opinion: You really cannot fight an ideology, the Taliban is so successful because it has some (if not most) support amongst the masses. If there wasn't any, people would've resisted. May be this is a beginning of a long civil war in the nation but I doubt ordinary people will have a voice, they are surely significantly outnumbered.

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It's not clear whether the Taliban will allow Afghans to leave the country. However, for now the Taliban has re-opened the border to Pakistan. The current issue, surprisingly, seems to be Afghans stuck on the Pakistan side who want back into Afghanistan.

No idea how this plays out. The Taliban leadership may just let people leave for a while to eliminate opposition the easy way.

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If there's one thing China got right it's the non-interference policy in internal affairs of other countries. Others should learn by example.

Huh? What would you call them trying to place a Fudan University in Hungary then?

The same thing as other countries placing their universities in foreign countries

Re: Afghans are racing to erase their online lives

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Unpopular opinion: You really cannot fight an ideology, the Taliban is so successful because it has some (if not most) support amongst the masses. If there wasn't any, people would've resisted. May be this is a beginning of a long civil war in the nation but I doubt ordinary people will have a voice, they are surely significantly outnumbered.

I don’t think this is an accurate take. The Taliban does not have support of most of the masses. Various surveys consistently show that public support for democracy is more widespread than support for an Islamic emirate (example https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/03/30/afghans-w...). This makes sense - something like 2/3rds of Afghanis are under 25. They only know a relatively peaceful life without oppression or repression, under elected governments with America’s backing. The women and children in Afghanistan don’t want a society where they can’t get educated or where music and other media are banned. People didn’t resist because the US strategy to exit so quickly left them mentally unprepared and also demoralized them by lending credence to the notion that the Taliban’s threat demanded a hasty exit. America also really didn’t make a great attempt at establishing a professional, sustainable Afghan military (see https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/08/how-americ...) which is why military generals and various reports recommended against a hasty compete exit of US troops. The first few villages and province capitals to fall made the Afghani people fearful and they are just a poor people looking to survive. It isn’t worth getting killed if they think it is an unwinnable situation. But they’re still hungry for democracy and peace.

Re: Afghans are racing to erase their online lives

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Unpopular opinion: You really cannot fight an ideology, the Taliban is so successful because it has some (if not most) support amongst the masses. If there wasn't any, people would've resisted. May be this is a beginning of a long civil war in the nation but I doubt ordinary people will have a voice, they are surely significantly outnumbered.

Do you think they have the majority in Kabul?

Or is this a classical case of rural vs urban (only that in this case the rural people have a ton of firepower and the will to create laws that affect the urban people as well)?

As someone who grew up in Austria and Germany I think we can fight ideologies. In fact we have to. Having strong (intolerant) ideals is not a problem until you force it on people who don't in inhumane ways.

Re: Afghans are racing to erase their online lives

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post #28

Unpopular opinion: You really cannot fight an ideology, the Taliban is so successful because it has some (if not most) support amongst the masses. If there wasn't any, people would've resisted. May be this is a beginning of a long civil war in the nation but I doubt ordinary people will have a voice, they are surely significantly outnumbered.

Do you think they have the majority in Kabul ? Or is this a classical case of rural vs urban (only that in this case the rural people have a ton of firepower and the will to create laws that affect the urban people as well)? As someone who grew up in Austria and Germany I think we can fight ideologies. In fact we have to. Having strong (intolerant) ideals is not a problem until you force it on people who don't in inh…

Afghanistan is only slightly (~25%) urban. Polls show that a super majority of the entire population (including rural) favor democratic elections and not a council of mullahs (which is how the Taliban’s Islamic emirate is organized).

Re: Afghans are racing to erase their online lives

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post #17

Since the Taliban are now the government they probably have access to the previous military employment databases so even if they erase their online lives, clean up their phone... They might find who they are and punish them (torture, death) for working with the "enemy".

If the Taliban are really smart, they don't do any of that for quite a while. That would give them a ton of legitimation internationally.

They're waiting for the remaining NATO and other western diplomats and personnel to leave. The evacuation is ongoing. They have the airport surrounded but they don't engage war against the NATO soldiers. So they try to look legit both inside and internationally. After the last NATO soldier leaves the airport who knows what will they do.
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