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Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#201

I'm going to be the contrarian. Keep the job. Power through it and retire as early as you can, then you can do whatever you want. If you're in $finance$ or $FAANG$, don't go to a non-FAANG. Definitely don't quit your job unless you have another one lined up, and definitely don't take an extended leave to travel and find yourself. Don't believe "CS grads will always be employed." There are people on HN who graduated i…

Paulo Freire: “One of the methods of manipulation is to inoculate individuals with the bourgeois appetite for personal success.”

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#202
I’ll note that it doesn’t seem that you’ve tried anything. You haven’t changed your circumstances at all.. different job at a similar company, different part of town, save any money at all to open something of your own in your hometown, etc.

Also, maybe get really engaged in something unrelated. Maybe having a thing to look forward to will re-balance things.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

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We do understand... But if you want the money and want to retire early...that's the price you pay unless you're very lucky. Given the salaries O.P. and partner seem to be making, they could prolly power thru and retire in 5 years? 10 years tops ? Also, if retiring at 45 or 50 leaves you 'sad', I'd question your assumptions about retirement? Working for 25 years, and having another 50+ years of retirement ahead of you…

You truly don't, if you think money has any intrinsic worth rather than how you choose to live your life. Let's say you sacrifice 10-15 years with a life miserable, but very fulfilling regards to money. How does that shape you as a person, and how will that shape your life after retiring early, rather than living another life, not ruled by currency? Some of us have already chosen differently, and have no problems reg…

that sounds very nice and all, but unless you're independently wealthy or someone else is supporting you, you're making the same trade off as everyone else. You've just opted to take a long slow path vs others that just want to get it over with. Your still going to need some baseline amount of money to survive, whether you make it 'all at once' or slowly over the rest of your life. And as long as you're working, your going to have some percentage of bad days, days you don't want to be there, etc. Its the same formula, only the parameters have changed.

Also, if being miserable at work 'shapes you as a person' or has a substantial impact on your 'self-integrity' it sounds like you're the one defining yourself via work? More outside activities might help? You have to be able to leave work behind at the end of the day...

I grew up in a mill town with a large part of the population hating what they did..but they did it every day for 20 or 30 years to take care of their families. For most, being miserable at work wasn't the defining facet of their lives. They had hobbies, coached little league, and did a million other things. While it was far from perfect, most of the people I knew didn't 'let the job get to them'.

As for the choices you made - good for you :-) Glad you found a set of parameters that works for you! :-D

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#204

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bad form replying to myself, but this just occurred to me.. Given you sound fairly young, what about powering thru say 3 years with your partner to build a nest egg. Then both taking (perhaps lower paying) jobs that you enjoy, giving your nest egg time to grow - that way, you'd have the satisfaction of doing something you enjoy, and the option to retire whenever...

I guess that’s what’s subconsciously been my plan for the last while. It’s just that on the rare occasions I’m with extended family and I’m reminded of what’s truly important in life, it brings my unhappiness to the fore again, and I resolve to try and do something about it.

Yeah, I hear ya. But maybe having made a decision and some concrete plans will make you feel a bit better?

Also, maybe doing more things outside of work will help? Try to talk with family more often or spend more time on hobbies you enjoy?

The key is not to let the job define your life. When all is said and done, work is only one (small) part of your life. Give yourself something to look forward to at the end of the day.

Whatever you do, I hope it brings you joy :-D Good Luck!

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#206
Hi, I totally understand what you are going through. It is tough and not easy. 34 is not old, you have whole life ahead, at least 10 years more to really redo everything you want to change. You have great background and years of grilling work schedule (I worked in finance and banking) and stress. I feel you need 2 more week of break (first) if you can afford. Have you thought of Product Management? It is something different, you are still closer to tech. With your skills, crypto, fintech and other payment startups will benefit a lot. Forget about pay, dont compare one thing with other, its OK to take a paycut if its short-term. Product Management has no limits, there are lot of roles that are remote. Good luck and stay safe. life is beautiful, do not hate anything. Accept whatever it is as is, as there is saying nothing last forever (even pain.).

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

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I'm late to respond, but I hear you. I mostly work with startups or startup-like projects. The few gigs I had in Finance I found the day-to-day to be lacking any meaningful challenge. The only plus was the higher pay. And it seemed like the less attractive the role, the larger the sum that was placed on the table. On the job front, you'd be surprised what you can earn in London NOT doing finance. Start contracting. T…

Mind telling where you live? I’m interested in moving to London in a few years time.

I live in a tiny blink-and-you-miss-it "village" called Hampton Wick, which is nestled between Kingston upon Thames and Teddington. The river is approx 50m from my house, and Bushy and Home parks are right next door. Richmond park is also nearby (can walk there). Kingston is like a mini compressed London (retail wise) and it's a 15 min walk. Not gonna say it's cheap here but nothing compared to central London. And if you venture 15 minute drive further out prices do drop. Schools are all top, and it's a great place to have your kids grow up in. I'm still in Greater London, and only 30 min away from Waterloo station. I highly recommend this whole area.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

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There's definitely an argument for making hay while the sun shines. But retiring early exposes you more to future bear markets since the value/returns of your investment portfolio will go down. Being employed seems a lot more resilient in that case.

> There's definitely an argument for making hay while the sun shines. Forgot that phrase, but that's exactly what I'm getting at. Also, make that hay in the morning. Because of compounding interest/returns, dollars (or pounds) that you save in your 20s are far, FAR more valuable than dollars you save in your 30s which are more valuable than dollars you save in your 40s. The advice you sometimes hear to go traveling a…

> The advice you sometimes hear to go traveling and backpacking in your early 20s to self-discover is total financial lunacy.

And life isn't only about min-maxing your financial situation at all times. Playing this game leads to a pretty bitter life, some are fit for it and thrive by squandering every cent they can during their younger years, others will simply be miserable.

Financial lunacy or not I don't believe that your life should be completely dictated by maximising your financial prospects when you are 40 or 50, each decade is a completely different life you live and missing out on your 20s while you are at your healthiest and less tired self is a personal development lunacy.

When you retire you aren't young and dumb anymore, you won't have the same experiences, you won't meet the same people, you will just coast into your later years. Might be successful by the metrics of the rat race but are you, as a person, really much better if you didn't experience much just to save money for later?

Everything is a trade-off, min-maxing your retirement funds on expense of your life experiences is just another option, financial lunacy or not, I'd love for more humans to not have to be trapped into lives based on what's financially sound or not.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#209
You really need to go to couple of job interviews and generally look around for things you want to do. It doesn't mean you should instantly switch your job, but you obviously lack perspective. You need to understand how easy of IT to find new job. Moreover nowdays more and more companies offer remote positions. Pay might be smaller, but you can move further from center and find cheaper place to live. You basically trap yourself with thoughts like 'I won't find better paid job' and 'my partner will never follow me'. There are quite a lot of options between 'live in London' and 'live in the middle of nowhere'.

Re: Ask HN: I feel trapped in my job and city

#210
Just a side-comment:

There's a large misconception or myth in the both the OP and in a number of comments: "figure out what you/I want to do."

A quick thought experiment to prove my point: If you have never tasted or experienced pizza, can you know that you "want" pizza?

I think a lot of people grow up with the myth that if you think enough about yourself, you can figure out what you really want.

Personally, I think that it's the opposite: you can only make a guess at what you want and figure out if you want it by doing it. This of course can be very risky but I don't think there's a way around that. This is also why a lot of people stay in jobs (and relationships) that they do not like.

However, there are a lot of cases where you can learn to enjoy an activity that you have never done before. (See below).

Another thought experiment: many children refuse to eat certain foods because they have an initial "weird" experience with them: tomatoes, sour cream, celery, bread crusts, fish, shrimp, etc. However, many of these kids also end up if not regularly eating but sometimes even very much enjoying these foods as they grow older.

The only difference between children and adults is that adults are older. And, my theory is also that dunning-kruger is WAY more pervasive than anyone thinks: how much do you know about yourself? About life? What are the chances that dunning-kruger applies to you on these subjects?

I also agree with a number of other comments about how your environment has a far larger impact on your enjoyment than you think. Most people think that the content of a job is the largest deciding factor in whether or not you enjoy it -- but it may be your colleagues, your commute or simply even your health. How sure are you that it's the content of your work and not the team around you?

One last comment: psychology in the 21st century is comparable to medicine in the 15th: mental diseases are categorised by symptom (not cause) and there's a reproducability crisis, to start with.

Tip for the OP: at the very least, do this: write down 5 possible jobs, find people who do them and go talk to them about them for an hour: buy them lunch or dinner. Everyone likes talking about themselves. Ask them about what they enjoy _and_ what they hate.

Also, it sounds like the OP is slightly perfectionist: you don't have to be young or excited about stuff, you just have to be interested in it. Stop being a perfectionist with yourself.

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