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Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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Post by profitthrowaway » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 7:09 PM UTC

dwighttk wrote: post #246

profitthrowaway wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they only intended to scan iCloud photos, then they would’ve done it on the server (since they have encryption keys) instead of installing spyware on everybody’s iPhone. If they had done that then there would’ve been little to no outrage since people wouldn’t need to worry as they could just turn off iCloud. What do you think will happen when e.g. the Chinese government demand that they scan all photos for hashes…

Or they are trying to get rid of having encryption keys…

Makes zero sense. Installing spyware and compromising everybody’s iPhone does a million times more harm than whatever governments can achieve with complete access to people’s iCloud account. At least before we could protect our privacy by turning off all iCloud sync, but now your only option is to switch away from iOS.

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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Post by brokenmachine » Tue, Aug 17, 2021, 4:33 AM UTC

laserlight wrote: post #99

cletus wrote: post #28

And... Apple misses the point of the criticism completely. This problem is the capability, not what it's used for. Any such capability will be abused by new use cases be it terrorism, drug trafficking, human trafficking or whatever. Plus there will inevitably be unauthorized access. The only way to prevent all this is for the system not to exist. I don't buy into theories that Apple is being pressured or coerced on a…

> The only way to prevent all this is for the system not to exist. I'll go one step further. Apple should have implemented a system that makes these kind of backdoors impossible. I don't know how or if such a system is possible, but given Apple's track record, they are in a position to attempt it.

>Apple should have implemented a system that makes these kind of backdoors impossible.

Signed updates (which they already have) that are not designed to spy on their customers and bog-standard E2E would achieve that.

But then they couldn't even scan the stuff on icloud.

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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Post by brokenmachine » Tue, Aug 17, 2021, 4:35 AM UTC

BoysenberryPi wrote: post #150

cletus wrote: post #28

And... Apple misses the point of the criticism completely. This problem is the capability, not what it's used for. Any such capability will be abused by new use cases be it terrorism, drug trafficking, human trafficking or whatever. Plus there will inevitably be unauthorized access. The only way to prevent all this is for the system not to exist. I don't buy into theories that Apple is being pressured or coerced on a…

> The big question for me is how and why Tim Cook and Apple's board signed off on a plan to do huge damage to Apple's reputation and user trust. If they didn't know, it's a problem. If they knew and didn't realize the inevitable backlash, well that's a different problem. Comments like this make me wonder how in touch HN is with the average person because I genuinely don't believe most people care or even know that th…

It was on mainstream news here in Australia.

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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Post by brokenmachine » Tue, Aug 17, 2021, 4:36 AM UTC

gentleman11 wrote: post #230

cletus wrote: post #28

And... Apple misses the point of the criticism completely. This problem is the capability, not what it's used for. Any such capability will be abused by new use cases be it terrorism, drug trafficking, human trafficking or whatever. Plus there will inevitably be unauthorized access. The only way to prevent all this is for the system not to exist. I don't buy into theories that Apple is being pressured or coerced on a…

Their promise is completely childishly unrealistic, the person who said it should feel ashamed. Does anybody believe they will refuse to use this in if the government demands when it’s a few button clicks of work to do it? When market access is at risk, and with apple’s track record? Or that two countries can’t collaborate to save face while doing this? This promise is so unrealistic that it’s just a lie

I agree.

"Make it so we are the only ones on that list, or we ban iphones in China".

Re: After criticism, Apple to only seek abuse images flagged in multiple nations

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Post by brokenmachine » Tue, Aug 17, 2021, 4:52 AM UTC

I hate Apple, they're ruining computers.

1. Devaluing general-purpose computing.

2. Disposable devices with soldered-in batteries and no upgradeability.

3. Removing headphone sockets so they can nickel-and-dime with irritating dongles and ridiculously expensive wireless headphones.

4. Disallowing personal backups using your own key to incentivize the use of expensive icloud storage.

5. App-store corruption.

6. Dodging tax in my country.

7. A million examples of shitty hardware design and then blaming the customer somehow, eg "you're holding it wrong", dust-attractant garbage keyboards, overheating gpus, etc etc

What a shitty, penny pinching piece of shit company. The most expensive devices and they still want to squeeze their customers more.

Literally everything they do trades privacy/usability for money, and the cherry on the shit sundae is always insulting their customers intelligence by somehow claiming it's for their own good.

And now we get probably the very worst thing they've done:

7. Legitimizing on-device scanning and adversarial devices.

I dearly wish they would go out of business because they're ruining technology, something I've loved my whole life.

I never even bought one of their bullshit locked-down garbage disposable devices and they're still ruining things for me with their influence on the market.

Fuck you, Apple. Fuck you in every way. You're the worst hardware manufacturer and the worst software manufacturer.

Go to hell.