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The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by ars »

palish wrote: post #69
JanezStupar wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude I hate to break you're little bubble - but you fat. You might not be as hopelessly obese as people you are used to calling fat. But the truth is you are fat too. You don't look healthy either and with continuing your lifestyle like you do, You are a ticking timebomb of diabetes, cholesterol issues, gout and other nasty metabolic diseases. Take an example of my mother, she is 70 and has developed both gout and di…

This is very possible too. What's the criteria for judging "healthy"? I mean, I have no ego, and I'm not doing this out of narcissism or some silliness like that. I genuinely care about "the truth". So if the truth is I don't look healthy, then I'd like to know why. I was just about run up to the local gas station and buy a $0.72 44oz Cherry Coke, then run up to McDonalds and grab a McChicken for $1.09, then head bac…

I used to be just like you. I didn't care, and my weight was fine. Until it wasn't, it was very very slow. So slow I barely noticed, but eventually I was overweight.

Now I have to work doubly hard to get it back down.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by CaptainZapp »

palish wrote: post #26
Pointsly wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of the health conclusions - you can't deny the amount of sugar in single cup - absolutely contributes to the obesity we are all facing.

I deny that it contributes to obesity for all people. I believe no one can actually claim people understand nutrition --- in the same way we understand Newtonian physics, for example. I've never cared about what I eat. If I want something, I eat it. When I'm full, I stop. Over the last two years, my weight has stayed between 210lbs and 220lbs. I'm lucky. But I'm also a datapoint. Since some people can simply not care…

I add it here, because at your more inner post there's no reply link.

If you think Chicken McNuggets have a lot to do with chicken, think again.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_McNuggets

"As of October 9, 2010, the ingredients are as follows: Chicken, water, salt, sodium phosphates. Battered and breaded with: bleached wheat flour, water, wheat flour, food starch-modified, salt, spices, wheat gluten, paprika, dextrose, yeast, garlic powder, rosemary, partially hydrogenated soybean oil and cottonseed oil with mono -and diglycerides, leavening (sodium acid pyrophosphate, baking soda, ammonium bicarbonate, monocalcium phosphate), natural flavor (plant source) with extractives of paprika. Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to preserve freshness). Dimethylpolysiloxane made of silicone[4] is added as an antifoaming agent.[5] The list may be slightly different outside of the United States."

Chicken McNuggets are pure crap with much too much fat and very low nutritional value.

It's your problem in the end, but as some fellow HNers already pointed out you're in for a very bad surprise not too far from now.

Another tip would be to replace the soda with water. So much better for you and you get the hang of it pretty quickly.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by chememit »

Chemical engineer's perspective: This is interesting. I'd learned about the chemical additives required for flavor in from-concentrate orange juice, since the dehydration ("concentration") by nature removes a lot of the more volatile chemicals that give OJ it's flavor. Without looking into it, I'd guess the deoxygenation process works by heating and pulling vacuum to lower oxygen solubility, which would also have the same consequence of removing the flavor compounds.

That said, the addition of chemical flavoring agents is completely irrelevant to health. Again I know more about process design than health science, but I do know that the flavoring chemicals that get removed and added are in such trace amounts that they likely have no health consequence, whether present or absent. In fact, many of the compounds are actually toxic at high concentrations.

And towards the "don't drink juice at all" argument, I feel like the world would be in a far better place health-wise if everyone drank juice instead of soda. At least juice is a fair representation of fruit, while soda is basically fructose dissolved in phosphoric acid. (The article mentions pectin and fiber as missing fruit components in juice - this is true as both are solids likely removed by juicing, but pectin is just a sugar polymer like starch, and fiber is just indigestible solids...nothing special health-wise). The argument reminds me of the people telling everyone not to go to college, just because in their specific case they didn't need it. Potentially decent advice for a small, already advantaged subset of the population, but horrible advice for everyone else.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by Tichy »

rmason wrote: post #8

Hate to be cynical but I suspect the whole point of the article is to sell you on buying a juicer. The domain is owned by a copy writing firm called http://www.wonderworkingwords.com/ . I can't prove it but I am willing to wager that a juicer firm commissioned the article. The firms motto after all is 'words that sell'.

Even if it is advertising (or motivated by it), it doesn't imply the information is false.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by socksy »

maukdaddy wrote: post #33
socksy wrote: post #18

If this is the case, wouldn't it be cheaper to take sweetened water, add food colouring and flavouring? I assume someone's probably doing it already.

It's called Sunny Delight. And you would be shocked to learn how many people think Sunny D is real orange juice.

I remember Sunny Delight as a kid (shows how young I am, I guess), but that didn't taste anything like orange juice, or the flavourings they put in to orange juice. More like squash? It's so sweet that you would be unlikely to confuse with actual orange juice, surely?

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by philwelch »

chememit wrote: post #73

Chemical engineer's perspective: This is interesting. I'd learned about the chemical additives required for flavor in from-concentrate orange juice, since the dehydration ("concentration") by nature removes a lot of the more volatile chemicals that give OJ it's flavor. Without looking into it, I'd guess the deoxygenation process works by heating and pulling vacuum to lower oxygen solubility, which would also have the…

The problem is that without the solids and the eating involved in eating a fruit, it's way easier to overdo it and take in too many calories.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by Tichy »

seandougall wrote: post #63

Sigh... I for one am getting extremely tired of people freaking out because they see organic chemical names among the ingredients that go into food. Lots and lots of perfectly ordinary and harmless chemical compounds (e.g. ethyl butyrate, valencine) have scary-sounding names, and lots of toxic ones don't. If you want to educate yourself, pick up a copy of _On Food and Cooking_ by Harold McGee, and learn about what th…

I don't think this is about freaking out over chemical compounds, it is freaking out over mislabeling and artificial food, and trusting the food industry.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by smithian »

rdl wrote: post #17
simonsarris wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is cheddar usually orange? I think all of the cheddar I have ever bought in NH and VT is a pale yellow. I'm crazy about cheeses, but the only orange cheeses I've ever seen were all very poor brands, unless I'm forgetting something.

It actually varies by state in the US, and by country. Cheddar cheese is always "cheddar colored", for local values of cheddar color. Varies from off-white to orange.

No. In my local supermarket, and in every supermarket I have ever been in (live in the Northeast, but have been plenty of other markets in the US and abroad) there is both natural white cheddar and colored cheddar, although sometimes the colored stuff is missing.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by Qz »

saturn wrote: post #41
palish wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I deny that it contributes to obesity for all people. I believe no one can actually claim people understand nutrition --- in the same way we understand Newtonian physics, for example. I've never cared about what I eat. If I want something, I eat it. When I'm full, I stop. Over the last two years, my weight has stayed between 210lbs and 220lbs. I'm lucky. But I'm also a datapoint. Since some people can simply not care…

No offence, but only an American could make the argument that because their weight has stayed "only" between 95kg and 100kg that they are living proof that people can eat what they want and not get fat. Unless you are a bodybuilder, which I am guessing you are not since they most certainly do care about what they eat, you are likely considered overweight in every other country on earth.

I eat what I want and I have stayed between 130 and 135 for over 10 years.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by WA »

palish wrote: post #69
JanezStupar wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude I hate to break you're little bubble - but you fat. You might not be as hopelessly obese as people you are used to calling fat. But the truth is you are fat too. You don't look healthy either and with continuing your lifestyle like you do, You are a ticking timebomb of diabetes, cholesterol issues, gout and other nasty metabolic diseases. Take an example of my mother, she is 70 and has developed both gout and di…

This is very possible too. What's the criteria for judging "healthy"? I mean, I have no ego, and I'm not doing this out of narcissism or some silliness like that. I genuinely care about "the truth". So if the truth is I don't look healthy, then I'd like to know why. I was just about run up to the local gas station and buy a $0.72 44oz Cherry Coke, then run up to McDonalds and grab a McChicken for $1.09, then head bac…

Tap water = 0$ 1 Apple, 2 Banana Edit: You could also buy 20 apples at once and keep them stored. This reduces your time overhead significantly.
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