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U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes

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Re: U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes

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Post by SECProto »

jedberg wrote: post #334
birken wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely not true as a blanket statement. Maybe if the driver monitoring is so lax that you could conceivably trick the car into poorly driving itself, but the system I use, Comma [1], has incredibly strict driver monitoring. There is absolutely no doubt I'm a safer driver with Comma than without it. I'm still in control, but Comma not only allows me to expend less effort driving (which allows me to stay alert over…

I use the same system as you do, and I've noticed that if you mention that system's name, you tend to get downvotes. I haven't yet figured out why, not sure if there is a bot or just a lot of Tesla fans who downvote the mention of our system. Edit: After one minute I got a downvote.

It sounds like you're advertising it. "The future can be yours, today. For the introductory monthly price of 79.99. Sign up here[1]"

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Post by studentrob »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #339
MisterTea wrote: post #319

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> "* It maintains my distance from the car in front and my speed while keeping me in my lane, so my brain no longer has to worry about those mundane things.*" Ive been driving for 25 years, cars, trucks, trailers, standard and auto transmissions, and I have never once thought to myself "I'd be such a better diver if I didn't have to pay attention to my speed, lane keeping or following distance" Why? Because those mun…

Maybe you're a great driver then. Have you ever shared the road with someone who was a terrible driver?

Yes. Those are people who think they can go hands free, use their phone or watch a movie while on autopilot.

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Post by sgustard »

jedberg wrote: post #276

A lot of people in here saying it is not possible to drive safely with partial self driving. I wonder, how many of those people have actually driven a car with autopilot? I have autopilot on my car, and it definitely makes me a better and safer driver. It maintains my distance from the car in front and my speed while keeping me in my lane, so my brain no longer has to worry about those mundane things. Instead I can s…

I agree 100% with jedberg as to my own driving experience with autopilot. Works great, and I still pay complete attention because I don't want to die in a fiery crash. If you're not going to pay attention, driving a dumber car doesn't make it safer.

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Post by jedberg »

bob1029 wrote: post #368
jedberg wrote: post #276

A lot of people in here saying it is not possible to drive safely with partial self driving. I wonder, how many of those people have actually driven a car with autopilot? I have autopilot on my car, and it definitely makes me a better and safer driver. It maintains my distance from the car in front and my speed while keeping me in my lane, so my brain no longer has to worry about those mundane things. Instead I can s…

> my brain no longer has to worry about those mundane things I would be terrified to share the road with someone of this mindset. Your vehicle is a lethal weapon when you are driving it around (assisted or otherwise). At no point can someone claim that a tesla vehicle circa today is able to completely assume the duty of driving. You are still 100% responsible for everything that happens in and around that car. You ha…

Do you get concerned about mathematical errors because the computer is doing the calculation instead of someone doing it by hand?

It's the same thing here. The computer is assisting me so that I can take care of the novel situations, the exceptions if you will. I can pay closer attention to the road and see that jackknifed trailer sooner because I wasn't looking at my speedometer to check my speed.

And I don't have a Tesla, I use a different autopilot system.

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Post by nickik »

jazzyjackson wrote: post #264
oblio wrote: post #146

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Does it have/use emergency braking in case of danger, if you don't use self-driving?

Yes but they are phasing out radar in favor of vision-only. Model 3 and Y have been shipping without radar braking for the past few months.

The vision-only system has passed all required tests for certification and Tesla themselves consider it to be a much safer system now.

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Post by jeffrallen »

jedberg wrote: post #276

A lot of people in here saying it is not possible to drive safely with partial self driving. I wonder, how many of those people have actually driven a car with autopilot? I have autopilot on my car, and it definitely makes me a better and safer driver. It maintains my distance from the car in front and my speed while keeping me in my lane, so my brain no longer has to worry about those mundane things. Instead I can s…

I tried it and found I was spending brainpower fighting the system, sending noise inputs wrt real world conditions in order to trick the system into not disengaging because it decided I was not "driving" it enough. The hacker in meet loved it, the rational person in me said, turn that off before it makes you crash!

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Post by nzrf »

Loughla wrote: post #358
sjg007 wrote: post #352

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What about Subaru eyesight? I thought it did..

Subaru's eyesight absolutely will stop you when you think you're about to hit something, regardless of whether or not that something was moving previously. It's actually really annoying if you live in a rural area without clearly defined lanes, and large, stationary objects (tractors and whatnot) close to the road.

As I think I previously posted about this. It will also see exhaust coming up on cold winter day as an obstacle and brake unexpectedly at light. It literally is worst and wish it could be disabled by default.

Additionally, the back up sensor is a tad over zealous also.

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Post by jedberg »

SECProto wrote: post #371
jedberg wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I use the same system as you do, and I've noticed that if you mention that system's name, you tend to get downvotes. I haven't yet figured out why, not sure if there is a bot or just a lot of Tesla fans who downvote the mention of our system. Edit: After one minute I got a downvote.

It sounds like you're advertising it. "The future can be yours, today. For the introductory monthly price of 79.99. Sign up here[1]"

This doesn't even make sense. Simply mentioning the name of a product I use is not advertising. Otherwise, is every person here who mentions Tesla advertising too?

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Post by Symbiote »

ggreer wrote: post #361
gambiting wrote: post #253

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I keep saying the same thing actually whenever people say that manual driving will be outlawed. Like, no, it won't be - because the computers will still save you in most cases either way, autopilot enabled or not. >>How about a Tesla that is electronically incapable of speeding. Good luck selling that one. From 2022 all cars sold in the EU have to have an electronic limiter that keeps you to the posted speed limit(by…

Your summary is incorrect. The ETSC recommends that Intelligent Speed Assistance should be able to be overridden.[1] It's supposed to not accelerate as much if you're exceeding the speed limit, and if you override by pressing the accelerator harder, it should show some warning messages and make an annoying sound. It's stupid, but it doesn't actually limit the speed of your car. I think it's a silly law and I'm very g…

I hired a new car with Intelligent Speed Assistance this summer, though it was set (and I left it) just to "ping" rather than do any limiting. I drove it to a fairly unusual place, though still in Europe and with standard European signs. It did not have a GPS map of the area.

It could reliably recognize the speed limit signs (red circle), but it never recognized the similar grey-slash end-of-limit signs. It also didn't recognize the start-of-town or end-of-town signs, so it didn't do anything about the limits they implied.

I would certainly have had to disable it, had it been reducing the acceleration in the way that document describes.

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Post by nickik »

young_unixer wrote: post #176
leroman wrote: post #78

Seeing all the near-misses and life saving interventions on YouTube involving Tesla vehicles, 1 death seems not such a bad result.. The question should be - how many lives were saved by this system vs how many would die if driven "normally"?

I don't think that should be the question. For example: it's not morally equivalent to die while drunk driving at 150 km/h vs dying as a pedestrian because someone ran over you. I would prefer 10 drunk drivers die instead of just one innocent person.

The only person who died fell asleep in the car and would have died in any car as far as I remember.
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