Wait till it can ID shoplifting, and people get added to a shared database of blacklisted shoppers. You can steal no problem, but one day you'll be approached and asked to leave upon entering almost anywhere.
Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping
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All that seems like they don't want you to steal at their store by giving deterrent cues. Which parts were practically inconvenient, or slow you down?
It's not about being slowed down. It's about being treated like a criminal. I won't shop at stores that are like this simply because I see no reason to put up with being treated like that. And, if the store really has such a serious crime problem that these measures are necessary, I don't want to be there anyway.
Neither do the people that shop at them, but they are too poor to have a choice. And the store’s management also does not want to spend money on these anti theft measures, but obviously they are having to do so to make it viable for the store to stay open.
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> But an even more direct example is skipping the discounts associated with club cards for privacy reasons. Right, but most still pay with a credit/debit card when checking out which gives the cc/bank the same info. At least with a store club card they only know what you purchase in that store/chain, instead of every store.
I'm guessing this is why many grocery stores don't allow NFC payments, except for (in my area at least) Safeway, whose non-club pricing is so punitive that most people just knuckle under and get the card. Though I just use 867-5309 anyway. Works in every area code, AFAICT.
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I have a separate battery powered device that does LTE backhaul and VPN and provides wifi, on which I have root and iptables/tcpdump. This way the VPN can't be bypassed on the phone, and I can inspect and filter traffic. Uber can be used by entering an address (eg one a block down from my house) with location services off. The only things I really miss out on are things that don't work at all without location, like t…
Based on the phone number in your bio you appear to be based in chicago, is there a reason you are so worried about gov tracking but put your real name and phone number in your bio? This just seems like all incredibly inconvenient as a training exercise but I can't think of real reason someone on hn would do this only to make it very easy to ID them in other ways.
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All that seems like they don't want you to steal at their store by giving deterrent cues. Which parts were practically inconvenient, or slow you down?
It just makes for a shitty experience. I grew up in a blue-collar family and still dress that way, even though I'm firmly upper-middle class now. I took my wife to a high end mall for a her birthday one year, and when we were looking at designer purses, the security in the store followed us the entire time, presumably because their typical customers don't wear jeans, tshirts, and sneakers. We noticed the security in…
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#266I would love for there to be a legal requirement/warning posted on shop entrances saying "This facility uses CCTV/Facial Tracking/Phone Tracking/etc"
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Which escalations the store would have to weigh against a loss of business they should expect after racially targeting innocent (if so) customers. Know your rights and exercise them, keep your chin up and communicate. Fear is a trigger of suspicion.
When has “I’ll never shop here again!” ever been a useful threat? Shops care about people in aggregate , not you in particular. And anyone they decide to bother is someone they already have decided they don’t care about the opinion of.
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#268This to me is part of a general trend wherein only those with the awareness and resources required will have privacy. For example, if you do have the funds, send a private shopper. But an even more direct example is skipping the discounts associated with club cards for privacy reasons. This will further entrench the class divide between the wealthy and the rest of us.
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Why so much respect for someone just because they're a business owner? Sounds more like someone liked surveillance but got shaken up by sousveillance.
I would mention it if they were his neighbor or a cab driver as well. It's not a matter of respect, but this person simply installed a security system for their safety. They're obviously not extremely technical. They're just trying to go about their day, serve their customers and make a living, and go home. My point in that wording is that it's some random local person in the community, not the head of the NSA's PRIS…
And OP asked questions about it and got brushed off. At least in most of Canada (not even EU), if you’re collecting personal info, you have to answer to how/what/why you collected it and provide notice of that too.