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Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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GPU stock is rising and prices falling. It’s too late now.

I still can’t get a 3080, and the frequency of drops seems to have decreased. Where are you seeing increased stock?

Can get a 3080 tomorrow in UK no problems at all.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

#92
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I think this situation can only be fixed by moving up into languages that compile to vendor specific GPU languages. Just treat CUDA, openCL, vulkan compute, metal compute(??) etc. as the assembly of graphics cards.

https://www.oneapi.io/

Currently only supported by Intel.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

#93
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Yeah, Samsung 8nm, which is basically Samsung 10nm++++.

10nm--?

The '+' in this case is a common process node trope where improvements to a node over time that involve rules changes become Node+, Node++, Node+++, etc. So this is a node that started as Samsung 10nm, but they made enough changes to it that they started marketing it as 8nm. When they started talking about it, it wasn't clear if it was a more manufacturable 7nm or instead a 10nm with lots of improvements, so I drop the 10nm++++ to help give some context.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

#94
post #71

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I believe nvidia doesn't use TSMC or not only use TSMC.

30 series Nvidia cards are on Samsung silicon iirc

The datacenter cards (which are about half of their revenue) are running on TSMC.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

You would think that. GamersNexus did try Intels finest, and it doesnt look pretty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSseaknEv9Q We Got an Intel GPU: Intel Iris Xe DG1 Video Card Review, Benchmarks, & Architecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW4U6n-r3_0 Intel GPU A Real Threat: Adobe Premiere, Handbrake, & Production Benchmarks on DG1 Iris Xe Its below GT1030 with a lot of issues.

This won't be the same as the DG1

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

If they come out swinging here they could have the most deserved smugness in the industry for a good while. People have been rightly criticising them but wrongly writing them off.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

#97
post #91

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I still can’t get a 3080, and the frequency of drops seems to have decreased. Where are you seeing increased stock?

Can get a 3080 tomorrow in UK no problems at all.

Can get but still very expensive.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

#98

I've been hearing Intel play this tune for years, time to show us something or change the record!

They've been playing this for years because it's only really now that they can actually respond to Zen and friends. Intel's competitors have been asleep at the wheel until 2017, getting a new chip out takes years.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

#99
post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

Yup; three other points I'd add:

1) I hate to say "year of desktop Linux" like every year, but with the Steam Deck release later this year, and Valve's commitment to continue investing and collaborating on Proton to ensure wide-range game support; Linux gaming is going to grow substantially throughout 2022, if only due to the new devices added by Steam Decks.

Intel has always had fantastic Linux video driver support. If Arc is competitive with the lowest end current-gen Nvidia/AMD cards (3060?), Linux gamers will love it. And, when thinking about Steam Deck 2 in 2022-2023, Intel becomes an option.

2) The current-gen Nvidia/AMD cards are insane. They're unbelievably powerful. But, here's the kicker: Steam Deck is 720p. You go out and buy a brand new Razer/Alienware/whatever gaming laptop, the most common resolution even on the high end models is 1080p (w/ high refresh rate). The Steam Hardware survey puts 1080p as the most common resolution, and ITS NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE to #2 [1] (720p 8%, 1080p 67%, 1440p 8%, 4k 2%) (did you know more people use Steam on MacOS than on a 4k monitor? lol)

These Nvidia/AMD cards are unprecedented overkill for most gamers. People are begging for cards that can run games at 1080p, Nvidia went straight to 4K, even showing off 8K gaming on the 3090, and now they can't even deliver any cards that run 720p/1080p. Today, we've got AMD releasing the 6600XT, advertising it as a beast for 1080p gaming [2]. This is what people actually want; affordable and accessible cards to play games on (whether they can keep the 6600xt in stock remains to be seen, of course). Nvidia went straight Icarus with Ampere; they shot for the sun, and couldn't deliver.

3) More broadly, geopolitical pressure in east asia, and specifically taiwan, should be concerning investors in any company that relies heavily on TSMC (AMD & Apple being the two big ones). Intel may start by fabbing Arc there, but they uniquely have the capacity to bring that production to the west.

I am very, very long INTC.

[1] https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw...

[2] https://www.pcmag.com/news/amd-unveils-the-radeon-rx-6600-xt...

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

#100
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Nvidia doesn't price any cards other than the founder's editions which you'll notice they both drastically cut down on availability for and also didn't do at all for the "price sensitive" mid-range tier. Nvidia's pricing as a result is completely fake. Like the claimed "$330 3060" in fact starts at $400 and rapidly goes up from there, with MSRP's on 3060's as high as $560.

I didn't say NVIDIA did directly price cards? Doesn't sound like you are doing a very good job of following the HN rule - always give the most gracious possible reading of a comment. Nothing I said directly implied that they did, you just wanted to pick a bone. It's really quite rude to put words in people's mouths, and that's why we have this rule. But a 6900XT is available for $3100 at my local store... and the 309…

> But a 6900XT is available for $3100 at my local store... and the 3090 is $2100.

That's just your store being dumb, then. The 6900 XT is averaging about $1,500 brand new on eBay[0] while the 3090 is going for about $2,500[1]. Even on Newegg, the cheapest in-stock 6900 XT card is $1,700[2] while the cheapest 3090 is $3,000[3]. Everything I've read suggests that the AMD cards, while generally a little slower than their Nvidia counterparts (especially when you factor in ray-tracing), give you way more bang for your buck.

> the prices for AMD cards are generally higher

This is just not true. There may be several reasons for the Nvidia cards being out of stock more often than AMD: better performance; stronger brand; lower production counts; poor perception of AMD drivers; specific games being optimized for Nvidia; or pretty much anything else. But at this point, pricing is set by supply and demand, not by arbitrary MSRPs set by Nvidia/AMD, so claiming that AMD cards are priced too high is absolutely incorrect.

[0]: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=6900xt&_sacat...

[1]: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=3090&_sacat=0...

[2]: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601359957&Order=1

[3]: https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?N=100007709%20601357248&Order=1

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