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Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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"Forgot card" often works too!

That's good to know. Another trick I used to use was just to tell the cashier that I forgot my card, and she'd grab a spare and swipe it. Then they started doing phone numbers, so that probably doesn't work as well now.

$local_area_code-867-5309 is almost always registered. No reason to sign up for your own card.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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The industrial revolution divided the world into those who had capital (owned factories, tools, land, etc.) and those who produced labor (worked in the factories, used the tools, worked the land, etc.). Those on the side of labor couldn't provide value without access to capital where it could be used. Conversely, those with capital need labor to extract value from it. The factories don't run themselves. In theory, th…

> The industrial revolution divided the world into those who had capital (owned factories, tools, land, etc.) and those who produced labor (worked in the factories, used the tools, worked the land, etc.). Don't be silly. The world was divided long before the Industrial Revolution, and if "labor" was ever on top of things, it was for fleeting moments. What changed with the Industrial Revolution was the collection of e…

For what it's worth, I didn't say the world was not divided before the industrial revolution. I just said what lines it became divided along after it.

Before, because of the agricultural revolution, it was divided primarily along lines of land ownership and the familiar inheritance of that.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Last time I was in a Walmart, it felt like they were doing everything they could to communicate they didn't want me to shop at their store. * Gates at the main entrances * Cameras everywhere * "Security" walking through the store in clearly marked uniforms * Self checkouts with UX that clearly communicates a lack of trust.

All that seems like they don't want you to steal at their store by giving deterrent cues. Which parts were practically inconvenient, or slow you down?

It's not about being slowed down. It's about being treated like a criminal. I won't shop at stores that are like this simply because I see no reason to put up with being treated like that. And, if the store really has such a serious crime problem that these measures are necessary, I don't want to be there anyway.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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What I actually found most surprising in this article was that a plurality don't seem to mind:

> When it came to whether or not respondents supported the use of facial recognition by retailers, 42 percent said they didn't mind it while 38 percent said they were against its use in stores.

(I assume the remaining 20% were "unsure" or similar? The article doesn't say.)

Not sure what to make of this...

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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target has far more effective anti-theft, but it's far less intrusive, apparently. https://www.paypath.com/Small-Business/why-target-is-the-wor...

Is facial recognition less intrusive, or more convenient? I’d argue the latter.

I agree. Facial recognition is far more intrusive, and far more convenient.

The problem I have with face recognition is what to do about it? Some stores are polite enough to make it obvious, so I know not to shop there, but I can't trust that the other stores aren't also doing it and keeping it quiet.

This has me stumped.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Kroger has felt especially intrusive for a couple of decades; it's almost as though they're going out of their way to be manipulative and creepy, right from the store layout where Pepsi is $87.00 at your feet and Coke is $0.75 at eye level, down to the personalized coupons they send you in the mail. But the big stores that don't have loyalty cards are still slurping up data; they just get it from your credit card and…

I wonder if there's a Winco or local equivalent for you? They don't accept credit cards, only debit cards, checks, and cash. No loyalty programs. And you have to bag your own groceries. I switched from using a debit card to cash just because I like the idea that I'm not being tracked at all.

WinCo Foods, Inc. is a privately held, majority employee-owned[5][6][7] American supermarket chain based in Boise, Idaho, with retail stores in Arizona, California, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas,[8] Utah, and Washington. It was founded in 1967 as a no-frills warehouse-style store with low prices.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Pay cash, wear a hat and a mask in store, decline to give them PII. It’s a pretty simple and effective solution.

And walk like a penguin? They have gait recognition. Revel in the dystopia that's already here. Soon it will be Gattaca. De-gene-erate!

You’re just delaying the inevitable penguin gait recognition.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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2025: Why should I care if a grocery has my DNA and fingerprints? They already have facial recognition and a record of everything I ever bought, it's not like they are sharing it with anyone. Also 2025: Why should I care if my gym has facial recognition technology? 2026: Why should I care if a grocery shares my DNA and entire purchase history with my insurance provider? It's not like I'm obese. I go to the gym. 2027:…

If i'm reading this right, i see two arguments here. The first is a slippery slope. They are starting to use facial recognition now and will soon be asking for my DNA and fingerprints. I just don't agree that the slope is slippery. Why would my grocery store care to collect that information? We're talking about grocery store items - the company just wants to know what i'm buying so they can send me ads to buy more st…

> The first is a slippery slope.

Actually I mean something closer to shifting baseline [1] in a broader sense. We've just come to accept a vast loss of privacy as surveillance and data gathering has become so cheap, so pervasive, and insidiously hidden, that at this point it is impossible to stop it. The inertia is all rolling downhill at this point. The slippery slope has slipped and slid already, well past what we would have considered acceptable a generation ago. It was unthinkable when I was a kid in the 1980s or a teenager in the 1990s that they would do so much tracking, in meatspace and cyberspace.

And you're right that there is no way to stop it, except through laws. The US government is completely asleep at the wheel. Worse, they've been paid off to be asleep at the wheel.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shifting_baseline

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