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Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by chaosharmonic »

Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

Given that timeline and their years of existing production history with Thunderbolt, Intel could also feasibly beat both of them to shipping USB4 on a graphics card.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by Animats »

opencl wrote: post #23
voidfunc wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intel has the manufacturing capability to really beat up Nvidia. Even if the cards don’t perform like top-tier cards they could still win bigly here. Very exciting!

Intel is not even manufacturing these, they are TSMC 7nm so they are competing for the same fab capacity that everyone else is using.

Oh, that's disappointing. Intel has three 7nm fabs in the US.

There's a lot of fab capacity under construction. 2-3 years out, semiconductor glut again.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by at_a_remove »

I find myself needing, for the first time ever, a high-end video card for some heavy video encoding, and when I look, they're all gone, apparently in a tug of war between gamers and crypto miners.

At the exact same time, I am throwing out a box of old video cards from the mid-nineties (Trident, Diamond Stealth) and from the looks of it you can list them on eBay but they don't even sell.

Now Intel is about to leap into the fray and I am imagining trying to explain all of this to the me of twenty-five years back.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by paulmd »

judge2020 wrote: post #39
opencl wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Intel is not even manufacturing these, they are TSMC 7nm so they are competing for the same fab capacity that everyone else is using.

*AMD/Apple is using. Nvidia's always-sold-out Ampere-based gaming chips are made in a Samsung fab. https://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-ampere-samsung-8nm-process/

if NVIDIA cards were priced as ridiculously as AMD cards they'd be sitting on store shelves too

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by lvl100 »

byefruit wrote: post #9

I really hope this breaks Nvidia's stranglehold on deep learning. Some competition would hopefully bring down prices at the compute high-end. AMD don't seem to even be trying on the software-side at the moment. ROCm is a mess.

I agree 100% and if Nvidia’s recent showing and puzzling focus on “Omniverse” is any indication, they’re operating in a fantasy world a bit.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by jogu »

jeswin wrote: post #15

If Intel provides as much Linux driver support as they do for their current integrated graphics lineup, we might have a new favourite among Linux users.

Came here to say this. This will be especially interesting if there's better support for GPU virtualization to allow a Windows VM to leverage the card without passing the entire card through.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by byefruit »

dragontamer wrote: post #35
byefruit wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately that support is via ROCm, which doesn't support the last three generations (!) of AMD hardware: https://github.com/ROCm/ROCm.github.io/blob/master/hardware....

ROCm supports Vega, Vega 7nm, and CDNA just fine. The issue is that AMD has split their compute into two categories: * RDNA -- consumer cards. A new ISA with new compilers / everything. I don't think its reasonable to expect AMD's compilers to work on RDNA, when such large changes have been made to the architecture. (32-wide instead of 64-wide. 1024 registers. Etc. etc.) * CDNA -- based off of Vega's ISA. Despite bei…

That makes a lot more sense, thanks. They could do with making that a lot clearer on the project.

Still handicaps them compared to Nvidia where you can just buy anything recent and expect it to work. Suspect it also means they get virtually no open source contributions from the community because nobody can run or test it on personal hardware.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by pankajdoharey »

chaosharmonic wrote: post #41
Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

Given that timeline and their years of existing production history with Thunderbolt, Intel could also feasibly beat both of them to shipping USB4 on a graphics card.

I suppose the better thing to do would be to ship an APU, Besting both Nvidia on GPU and AMD on CPU? But can they?

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by selfhoster11 »

jeffbee wrote: post #37

Interesting, but the add-in-card GPU market for graphics purposes is so small, it's hard to get worked up about it. The overwhelming majority of GPU units sold are IGPs. Intel owns virtually 100% of the computer (excluding mobile) IGP market and 70% of the total GPU market. You can get almost the performance of Intel's discrete GPUs with their latest IGPs in "Tiger Lake" generation parts. Intel can afford to nibble a…

You must be missing the gamer market that's positively starving for affordable dedicated GPUs.
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