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Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by RyanMcGreal » Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 2:29 AM UTC

sigzero wrote: post #99

Getahobby wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The right thing to do when you make a promise without fully thinking it through is to still follow through with it, no matter how big of a pain in the ass it turns out to be. This is how people (should) learn to keep their mouth shut and stop over promising and under delivering. Jobs is not one to over promise so this instance is interesting. edit: wow, lots of grammar errors.

A business cannot run that way.

A business also cannot be run by its CEO shooting from the hip.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by vacri » Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 3:01 AM UTC

juliano_q wrote: post #87

zyb09 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this fucking Scientology, where we replace the meaning of words with their opposites?! The fact that Apple is the only provider of FaceTime software and it's only available on Mac and iOS means it's proprietary. Jobs said they're going make it an open standard. They didn't. There's no third party client, there's no FaceTime for Windows or Android.

I was being ironic.

Poe's law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by mscarborough » Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 3:03 AM UTC

ryanisinallofus wrote: post #14

My wife: "Will you take the trash out?" Me: "Yeah, for sure. I'll take it out tonight." Tonight rolls by and the next day she tells me "You didn't take out the trash. You lied." Did I lie? Or did I have honest intentions of taking out the trash with circumstances getting in the way? Maybe I just forgot? I don't presume to know Jobs' intentions but without a history of lying during presentations I'm going to assume hi…

There's a pretty big difference between talking to your wife about moving a few pounds of garbage, and speaking to the world as the leader of a company with $360+ Billion market cap.

I'm not a FaceTime user but seems like a year after "we're going to start tomorrow on an open standard", it's not unreasonable to expect more to have happened.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by etha » Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 3:12 AM UTC

sigzero wrote: post #99

Getahobby wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The right thing to do when you make a promise without fully thinking it through is to still follow through with it, no matter how big of a pain in the ass it turns out to be. This is how people (should) learn to keep their mouth shut and stop over promising and under delivering. Jobs is not one to over promise so this instance is interesting. edit: wow, lots of grammar errors.

A business cannot run that way.

Some do. Epic Systems, for example, is quite well known for this attitude.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by joshaidan » Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 3:24 AM UTC

Reading this makes me think of the iPhone commercial about FaceTime. http://youtu.be/EmAIptWS7Mk

"If you don't have an iPhone, you don't have FaceTime on your phone."

Perhaps it was the marketing department that was not informed of Steve's intentions to open up the FaceTime protocol, or maybe Apple really has changed their position on opening up the protocol.

I really wish they would open up the protocol. It would be very cool. And just think, all these android users would have to get iTunes accounts.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by bane » Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 3:38 AM UTC

rdl wrote: post #28

I might care more if I'd ever actually observed someone using FaceTime. I have 3 MacBooks, an iPad, an iPhone 4, my coworkers and girlfriend and friends have FaceTime compatible devices too, but I've never seen anyone use it. Maybe they don't open it because it is a dead product.

Pretty much my entire company has iPhone 4s and a handful of Macbook Airs, and I know that other than the first couple of weeks when it was still novel, nobody uses Facetime.

All those pronouncements about videochat being something nobody really uses are more or less true.

However, I've heard from some other folks that they use it purely for inter-family communications, where appearances don't matter nearly as much.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by jackpirate » Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 3:40 AM UTC

ugh wrote: post #84

Steko wrote: post #67

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Where does linkbaiting rate on this scale?

Linkbaiting? Harmless. Also: I’m pretty sure that the author of this article actually believes that Jobs was lying. It’s not linkbaiting if the headline reflects the author’s beliefs.

It could still be linkbaiting, just a slightly less bad version of it.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by gcb » Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 4:42 AM UTC

ryanisinallofus wrote: post #14

My wife: "Will you take the trash out?" Me: "Yeah, for sure. I'll take it out tonight." Tonight rolls by and the next day she tells me "You didn't take out the trash. You lied." Did I lie? Or did I have honest intentions of taking out the trash with circumstances getting in the way? Maybe I just forgot? I don't presume to know Jobs' intentions but without a history of lying during presentations I'm going to assume hi…

Your's an awful analogy. He lied.

Your wife didn't bought products based on your well intentioned promises to take out the trash. There's laws against that.

If you buy snake oil from the back of a wagon because the seller truly believes it cures cancer and hangovers, suit yourself.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by delackner » Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 4:51 AM UTC

rdl wrote: post #28

I might care more if I'd ever actually observed someone using FaceTime. I have 3 MacBooks, an iPad, an iPhone 4, my coworkers and girlfriend and friends have FaceTime compatible devices too, but I've never seen anyone use it. Maybe they don't open it because it is a dead product.

Of course of course, because if our own circle of friends are all [x] then everyone everywhere must also be.

Ever since Facetime came to the iPod Touch, I have used it routinely with my parents on the other side of an ocean, and it remains the only video solution I've seen that actually WORKS. Skype video and Fring video on the iphone are just horrifyingly bad in comparison, occasionally comically bad, with seconds per frame blobs of color that vaguely resemble heads). Facetime just works, with quality that matches the output when you record an HD video on the device.

Re: Steve Jobs Sometimes Lies to You

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Post by dasil003 » Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 5:20 AM UTC

funthree wrote: post #82

ryanisinallofus wrote: post #14

My wife: "Will you take the trash out?" Me: "Yeah, for sure. I'll take it out tonight." Tonight rolls by and the next day she tells me "You didn't take out the trash. You lied." Did I lie? Or did I have honest intentions of taking out the trash with circumstances getting in the way? Maybe I just forgot? I don't presume to know Jobs' intentions but without a history of lying during presentations I'm going to assume hi…

You lied. You said something that turned out to be a lie (an inaccurate or false statement) and although people have trouble hearing the word, it doesn't make it any less true. You do not fit a few of the definitions of "lie" but you fit at least one. edit: to all the downvoters, pick up a dictionary

Here's one for you to look up: connotation.