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Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Post by 5faulker »

asciimov wrote: post #164

The October before covid me and Mrs. Asciimov went on a cruse with Royal Caribbean. We got dropped off at the port, put our luggage in the loading area, and proceeded to walk inside, all without talking to anyone. Not 30 seconds after walking into the Port Building, a RCL rep walked up and greeted me and the mrs by first name. Said please walk this way, I have you all checked in, you just need to go through the retur…

Another reason why humans better think twice before taking on another convenient technology.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Post by lotsofpulp »

cronix wrote: post #150
reedjosh wrote: post #131

This to me is part of a general trend wherein only those with the awareness and resources required will have privacy. For example, if you do have the funds, send a private shopper. But an even more direct example is skipping the discounts associated with club cards for privacy reasons. This will further entrench the class divide between the wealthy and the rest of us.

> But an even more direct example is skipping the discounts associated with club cards for privacy reasons. Right, but most still pay with a credit/debit card when checking out which gives the cc/bank the same info. At least with a store club card they only know what you purchase in that store/chain, instead of every store.

I bet if I asked the people I know (many who earn enough to not need the discounts) if they would rather spend 1% less on their groceries and let go of their grocery purchase data, or if they would spend 1% more and keep their purchase history private, almost everyone would choose to voluntarily give it up and spend 1% less.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Post by mixmastamyk »

_wldu wrote: post #20

Walmart makes this rather obvious. I was walking down a medicine aisle the other day, and I looked up and saw my face on a screen with green lines outlining it.

They lose a lot to theft in those aisles. I didn’t particularly mind when I thought it was an anonymous noise maker, but you can’t trust that anymore.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Post by namelessoracle »

rootusrootus wrote: post #130
namelessoracle wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lowes uses facial recognition tech in their stores. The camera is there all the same. https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/14/22576236/retail-stores-fa...

That is unfortunate. But I will admit that the confrontational method Home Depot uses is more off-putting to me than just knowing that there are cameras doing facial recognition. I assume HD is also using that technology, or will be soon.

One of the reasons they have the loud ding is to alert an associate working several aisles there is a customer there so they can go assist them. How that works in practice is debatable.

Looks like Home Depot made a commitment to not use facial recognition? https://www.zdnet.com/article/backlash-to-retail-use-of-faci...

Personally I prefer the "hey we are filming you" notices to the silent approach where they use facial recognition tech that is feeding into a large database.

Just like i prefer notices in my websites that they are data harvesting than the silent approach.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Post by kyleee »

reedjosh wrote: post #157
cronix wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But an even more direct example is skipping the discounts associated with club cards for privacy reasons. Right, but most still pay with a credit/debit card when checking out which gives the cc/bank the same info. At least with a store club card they only know what you purchase in that store/chain, instead of every store.

> Right, but most still pay with a credit/debit card when checking out which gives the cc/bank the same info. Yes, which is why I think cash is crucial until/if we get a digital equivalent. > At least with a store club card they only know what you purchase in that store/chain, instead of every store I haven't done research to confirm, but I'm guessing club card data ends up in the hands of data brokers at some point.…

There will never be a state sanctioned privacy enabling digital cash equivalent since the data surrounding transactions is far too valuable (both in a monetary sense and in a social control sense).

I'm sure the phrase "digital cash" will be used in the marketing lingo though

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Post by kyleee »

6510 wrote: post #118
after_care wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pay cash, wear a hat and a mask in store, decline to give them PII. It’s a pretty simple and effective solution.

The 86.9-87.5 kg, 170-178 cm hat+mask guy without a cell phone wants to buy security and self defense items.

Just disguise yourself as a birthing person

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Post by asciimov »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #170
asciimov wrote: post #164

The October before covid me and Mrs. Asciimov went on a cruse with Royal Caribbean. We got dropped off at the port, put our luggage in the loading area, and proceeded to walk inside, all without talking to anyone. Not 30 seconds after walking into the Port Building, a RCL rep walked up and greeted me and the mrs by first name. Said please walk this way, I have you all checked in, you just need to go through the retur…

Photos you submitted during cruise purchase?

Yeah, you have to send them a picture of yourself when you sign up, like you do for a passport or a drivers license.

It gets attached to your account and when you get on the boat you are given an ID card to use to make onboard purchases and to disembark from the boat. Every time you leave or get on the boat they make sure the photo on your account matches who you say you are.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Post by metters »

reedjosh wrote: post #131

This to me is part of a general trend wherein only those with the awareness and resources required will have privacy. For example, if you do have the funds, send a private shopper. But an even more direct example is skipping the discounts associated with club cards for privacy reasons. This will further entrench the class divide between the wealthy and the rest of us.

I believe even with resources it won’t be possible to evade that. Gait recognition can even recognize a person that pretends to walk like a different person or being hurt - at least that is what I heard last time about this technology.

Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Post by nonfamous »

oramit wrote: post #169
reedjosh wrote: post #131

This to me is part of a general trend wherein only those with the awareness and resources required will have privacy. For example, if you do have the funds, send a private shopper. But an even more direct example is skipping the discounts associated with club cards for privacy reasons. This will further entrench the class divide between the wealthy and the rest of us.

Why should I care to keep what I buy at the grocery store private? I'm not trying to be flippant with this question. I'm just honestly perplexed why this is an important dateset to keep private. Also, why would I want to avoid discounts? Grocery stores are one of the few places that gives me money for handing them my data. Isn't this good behavior!?

What you buy at a grocery store can reveal a lot about you:

- Personal care products: gender

- Medications: age/health of you and family members

- Magazines/media: political affiliation, social class

The list goes on.

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Re: Many Americans not aware of being tracked with facial recognition while shopping

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Post by chubot »

mikem170 wrote: post #92
chubot wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meh I think it’s going to be acceptable to wear a mask for at least 5 years, and perhaps indefinitely, which easily defeats facial recognition.

They can already identify people wearing masks [0]: > a normal face mask doesn’t help you ‘evade’ facial recognition [0] https://privacyinternational.org/news-analysis/4511/can-covi...

Hm interesting, so I guess like all things in security/privacy it boils down to an economic war :-/ How much effort are you willing to put into masks vs. how much effort an adversary is willing to spend to defeat it.

It says that there is no single face mask that can defeat every system. That's an interesting point, but what about the converse? There's probably no single recognition system that can defeat every mask.

edit: I also think it's not that unacceptable to wear a mask and sunglasses anymore either, though I've never tried. Maybe you have an eye issue and don't want to get COVID :)

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