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U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes

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Why isn’t defeating the self-driving attention controls a crime like reckless driving? Isn’t that the obvious solution?

Gonna be pretty difficult to enforce. Many US states don't even enforce a minimum roadworthiness of cars on the roads.

Does that even matter? If the state doesn’t care to enforce its laws against reckless driving, why should the manufacturer be encumbered with that responsibility?

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I drive a lot across Europe: as in, really a lot, long trip across several countries, several times a year. I drive enough on the highways to know a few scary situations, like the truck driver in a big curve slightly deviating out of his lane and "pushing" me dangerously close to the median strip for example. To me driving requires paying constant attention to the road and being always ready to act swiftly: I just do…

Fully automated Self driving cars is either a pipe dream or decades away in which many more people will be killed on the road in the name of technological progress.

Fully autonomous cars are already a reality with Waymo in AZ and AutoX, Baidu in China. I don't know how safe the Chinese companies are, but Waymo's safety record [1] is nothing short of stellar.

[1] https://waymo.com/safety

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post #75

Having human drivers and assisted drivers on the same road is problematic currently. I think the best situation would be to have 'automated' stretches of highway specially designed to 'help' self driving systems. Only self driving vehicles would be allowed on such special highways, and everything would be built around such systems.

Let me preface by saying that I hold no strong opinions on this matter and my comments are purely speculative.

This is kind of a position I've held for a long time but a different aspect of the problem. I think a system similar to IFF in aircraft would solve all of these issue. If every car knew where every other car was at all times, you could easily devise a system that would be nearly flawless. The issue is, there is no incremental path to this solution. You would essentially have to start over with the existing transportation network.

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I drive a lot across Europe: as in, really a lot, long trip across several countries, several times a year. I drive enough on the highways to know a few scary situations, like the truck driver in a big curve slightly deviating out of his lane and "pushing" me dangerously close to the median strip for example. To me driving requires paying constant attention to the road and being always ready to act swiftly: I just do…

To me they are really aids. Of course you keep being concentrated, but I found that it takes out a lot of mental load like keeping the car straight, constantly tweaking the accelerator, etc..

It just makes the trips easier on the brain, and thus, for me, safer overall: its easier to see the overall situation when you've got free mental capacity

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#126

I always see anecdotes about Tesla crashes, but not any statistics vs other cars. I tend to assume that this is because they aren't more dangerous.

My thought would be that we hear lots of anecdotes because they claim a full self driving capability, so it’s particularly interesting when they crash and are using these assist features. Indeed when I bought my Model Y I paid extra for that capability.

Here’s more detail: https://www.tesla.com/support/autopilot

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#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why not flip the scheme. Instead of have the human as backup to the machine, make the machine backup the human. Let the human do all the driving and have the robot jump in whenever the human makes a mistake. Telemetry can then record all the situations where the human and the machine disagreed. That should provide all the necessary data, with the benefit of the robot perhaps preventing many accidents. Of course…

Nobody is going to buy a car that will randomly make its own decisions, that will pull the wheel from your hands ever time it thinks you are making an illegal lane change. That's almost exactly what my Honda does. Illegal (no signal) lane change results in a steering wheel shaker (and optional audio alert). And the car, when sensing an abrupt swerve which is interpreted as the vehicle leaving the roadway, attempts to…

Tesla’s system also requires driving’s to have their hands on the steering wheel and occasionally provide torque input.

Re: U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes

#128

I drive a lot across Europe: as in, really a lot, long trip across several countries, several times a year. I drive enough on the highways to know a few scary situations, like the truck driver in a big curve slightly deviating out of his lane and "pushing" me dangerously close to the median strip for example. To me driving requires paying constant attention to the road and being always ready to act swiftly: I just do…

Yes. This also makes me kind of nervous when just using normal car adaptive cruise control. I feel as though my foot needs to be hovering near the pedal anyway and that's often less comfortable than actually pushing on the pedal and controlling it myself.

Re: U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why not flip the scheme. Instead of have the human as backup to the machine, make the machine backup the human. Let the human do all the driving and have the robot jump in whenever the human makes a mistake. Telemetry can then record all the situations where the human and the machine disagreed. That should provide all the necessary data, with the benefit of the robot perhaps preventing many accidents. Of course…

Nobody is going to buy a car that will randomly make its own decisions, that will pull the wheel from your hands ever time it thinks you are making an illegal lane change. That's almost exactly what my Honda does. Illegal (no signal) lane change results in a steering wheel shaker (and optional audio alert). And the car, when sensing an abrupt swerve which is interpreted as the vehicle leaving the roadway, attempts to…

> Illegal (no signal) lane change results in a steering wheel shaker (and optional audio alert).

To be clear, tying the warning to the signal isn't about preventing unsignaled lane changes, it's gauging driver intent (i.e. is he asleep and drifting or just trying to change lanes). It's just gravy that it will train bad drivers to use their signals properly.

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post #6

Judging by the lack of a market reaction this morning, this is mostly immaterial.

I don’t know much about trading, but it appears to be down nearly 5% this morning as of right now. Regardless, I think you’re conflating trading price with whether something is material in general.
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