Nokia 9000 Communicator was launched 25 years ago • Hacker News Board

Re: Nokia 9000 Communicator was launched 25 years ago

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Post by p4bl0 » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 11:27 AM UTC

fsflover wrote: post #16

tannhaeuser wrote: post #5

I'd love to have a tin-foil hat device like that today, to make a stance in public against surveillance economy and mindless consumption. LCD, removable battery, GBA-like bulkiness, and other retro traits helping with power efficiency and sustainability would be a plus, too.

Here you go: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 and https://pine64.org/pinephone . FAQ about the first one: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... .

I know this is off-topic but wow, following your links I just read this on the Puri.sm site:

> Introducing Librem AweSIM: > Unlimited talk, text, and data for just $99/mo

"just"? Really? Isn't that awefully expensive?!

I have a plan with ulnimited talk, text, and 40GB of data that I use extensively (including for a lot of youtube videos) and I've never hit this limit. I pay €8/mo for that. For people who would need even more data, there are 200GB plan for less than €20/mo.

Re: Nokia 9000 Communicator was launched 25 years ago

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Post by zokier » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 11:28 AM UTC

I think Nokias 7650 deserves also mention. Launched in 2001/2002 it arguably laid the foundation for mainstream smartphones, while Communicators were inevitably doomed to be niche devices. 7650 had also many of the hallmarks of modern smartphone, at least compared to Communicators which were more of evolutionary dead end.

Re: Nokia 9000 Communicator was launched 25 years ago

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Post by aqsalose » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 11:29 AM UTC

Question. I can believe Communicator didn't change "the world". However, Deutsche Welle is German broadcaster. How prominent Communicator was in Germany?

Re: Nokia 9000 Communicator was launched 25 years ago

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Post by asymptosis » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 11:29 AM UTC

unixhero wrote: post #39

asymptosis wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you're getting downvoted. The thought arises: what's the motivation for Deutsche Welle to suddenly post an article about a derelict Finnish proto-"smartphone"?

At the time Nokia was not derelict. It is stated in the heading, it is now 25 years ago when Nokia started its path to become a global juggernaut.

When did I say Nokia was derelict? Please pay attention to what I really wrote.

Re: Nokia 9000 Communicator was launched 25 years ago

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Post by asymptosis » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 11:31 AM UTC

unixhero wrote: post #37

mnmmn123456 wrote: post #13

It didn't change the world. The iPhone did 10 years later. I guess the article is of interest because it has this wrong claim weaved in and even at it's time the "Nokia Communicator" wasn't a big success. Maybe we didn't know what FAANG-like success looks like at that time and everyone thought "Nokia is such a respectable, successful company in Scandinavia". Probably the article is of interest now because, we didn't…

You apparently never used one.

You seem to have a problem with literacy. The user claims it never changed the world (true) and you claim they never used one (irrelevant).

Re: Nokia 9000 Communicator was launched 25 years ago

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Post by fsflover » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 11:32 AM UTC

p4bl0 wrote: post #41

fsflover wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here you go: https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 and https://pine64.org/pinephone . FAQ about the first one: https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/community-wiki/-/wikis/Freque... .

I know this is off-topic but wow, following your links I just read this on the Puri.sm site: > Introducing Librem AweSIM: > Unlimited talk, text, and data for just $99/mo "just"? Really? Isn't that awefully expensive?! I have a plan with ulnimited talk, text, and 40GB of data that I use extensively (including for a lot of youtube videos) and I've never hit this limit. I pay €8/mo for that. For people who would need e…

1. You don't have to buy the AweSIM. You can use any sim-card with this phone, there is no lock.

2. This is not just a cellular service provider:

Librem AweSIM adds an extra layer of privacy to your customer data to protect you from targeted tracking. We register your phone number in our name on your behalf and keep your personal and financial data private and out of the hands of companies who would sell it to others.

From https://puri.sm/products/librem-awesim/.

Re: Nokia 9000 Communicator was launched 25 years ago

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Post by zokier » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 11:40 AM UTC

Maakuth wrote: post #10

Interesting tech choices ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_9000_Communicator ): Intel 80386 CPU, MS-DOS compatible base OS and GEOS shell. Later EPOC-based (which became Symbian) products had much less of a PC-like tech stack.

I didn't remember that the early models were DOS based, that puts them closer to my favorite 90s portable, the HP 200LX

Re: Nokia 9000 Communicator was launched 25 years ago

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Post by asymptosis » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 11:42 AM UTC

unixhero wrote: post #37

mnmmn123456 wrote: post #13

It didn't change the world. The iPhone did 10 years later. I guess the article is of interest because it has this wrong claim weaved in and even at it's time the "Nokia Communicator" wasn't a big success. Maybe we didn't know what FAANG-like success looks like at that time and everyone thought "Nokia is such a respectable, successful company in Scandinavia". Probably the article is of interest now because, we didn't…

You apparently never used one.

When you flag and downvote someone it doesn't make them wrong. Feel free to let me know some time what I said which was actually incorrect.

Re: Nokia 9000 Communicator was launched 25 years ago

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Post by kevingadd » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 11:44 AM UTC

wombatmobile wrote: post #30

> 25 years since it changed the world Nokia’s Communicator may have been the most capable phone computer of the pre iPhone era, but it didn’t change the world. It was too expensive, too closed, and not well enough marketed to change much of anything. I’m surprised to see it glorified here, not because it wasn’t a nice piece of visionary tech, but because the company that made it had such little impact on changing the…

It feels a little far-fetched to suggest that one of the leading handset manufacturers putting out one of the very first "smart devices" had no influence on the future of smart devices that followed it, if you ask me.

Yes, they weren't in the hands of every stylish adult or high-spending teen, but it wasn't for them. I'd guarantee it influenced the thinking of other people building products in that category for at least a few years. And in the long run the world changed due to that product category.

Re: Nokia 9000 Communicator was launched 25 years ago

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Post by p4bl0 » Mon, Aug 16, 2021, 11:46 AM UTC

fsflover wrote: post #46

p4bl0 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know this is off-topic but wow, following your links I just read this on the Puri.sm site: > Introducing Librem AweSIM: > Unlimited talk, text, and data for just $99/mo "just"? Really? Isn't that awefully expensive?! I have a plan with ulnimited talk, text, and 40GB of data that I use extensively (including for a lot of youtube videos) and I've never hit this limit. I pay €8/mo for that. For people who would need e…

1. You don't have to buy the AweSIM. You can use any sim-card with this phone, there is no lock. 2. This is not just a cellular service provider: Librem AweSIM adds an extra layer of privacy to your customer data to protect you from targeted tracking. We register your phone number in our name on your behalf and keep your personal and financial data private and out of the hands of companies who would sell it to others…

Thanks for the explanation.