No, because they are backed by Pakistan playing double game
Did America just lose Afghanistan because of WhatsApp?
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#12After having raised hopes of democracy in part of the Afghan population, the United States opens the door to the Taliban. Even the "democrats" will hate the US. This disaster is not a surprise: it was announced. I don't have the solution, but what Afghanistan is going through saddens me.
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#13No, because they are backed by Pakistan playing double game
And Qatar. And Iran. And Russia. And (to a lesser extent - mostly just keen on extracting the minerals) China.
BBC’s The Briefing Room had a good podcast about this
“Who’s Supporting the Taliban”
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#14For me it’s hard to pin this on Facebook. E2E encryption should mean the provider has no idea about its content, only metadata. The author is right to blame US intel, as it clearly either legitimately had no idea what was about to happen or set Biden up tor embarrassment.
However regressive the Taliban turns out to govern, they did everyone right by making this happen peacefully. I just worry all of that about all that Afghan Military equipment and training that they now possess. Is there a dead-man switch on the gear? With that kind of firepower I worry they would feel more empowered to behave in an extreme manner towards their people, knowing an outside or inside force dare not stand against them.
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#15Meh. WhatsApp had been used by anti-Taliban factions before as mentioned by OP, now the other side is also using it. What's newsworthy about this, exactly? They could be using any number of other channels instead, and it wouldn't change much. We "lost" Afghanistan because as it turned out, no one there actually cared in the least about putting up a fight, even after we spent a lot of resources on giving them the means of doing so. Just let them reap what they have sowed.
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#16The parallel with Jan 6 is instructive; memetic insurgency, but this time successful. As is the Taliban being far better at state-building than the highly corrupt puppet state, whose leaders packed as much cash as possible into their SUVs and fled for Uzbekistan. Should these people have been banned from Twitter and Whatsapp? Well, did they break any rules of the service or are we back to having the CIA hand them a l…
> The parallel with Jan 6 is instructive; memetic insurgency
There is no parallel. The Capitol protesters were unarmed, and were allowed into the building by police. (One of the first arrested was a BLM/antifa-affiliate person.)
Same situation as when Democrat Party protesters entered the Capitol in 2018 - there's pictures online, and they look the same as Jan. 6.
Video discussing AOC's Three Fabricated Stories about Jan. 6 (She was half a mile from the Capitol Building at the time)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=207wWplqmqs
(The first time I saw a video of AOC, she was telling a paranoid story on the floor of the House about somebody she encountered outside that day. She has a victimhood complex along with delusions about what's real and what's not real.)
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#17This is exactly what they did the first time around, but with a little more tech.
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#18Isn't there a general rule where if it's a stupid headline like this the answer is no? So sick of idiots that couldn't predict the obvious now opining about the reasoning behind events they were so consistently wrong about. If we could send these hacks straight into Kabul and the hands of the Taliban western civilization would be a better place.
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#19I've seen this linked elsewhere. The short answer is: No. America lost Afghanistan because we spent twenty years fighting a proxy war with Pakistan without ever being able to actually talk about it. Just like we can't talk about Ecohealth Alliance making the Damn Virus or the fraudulent studies that they used to ban treating the Damn Virus with HCQ, or Obama sending the OPM Database to China, or Joe Biden being a senile puppet.
It's rather like how 1940 Russia couldn't talk about how Stalin spent the previous ten years purging the Soviet Army on German Intelligence's orders.
It'll all be disturbingly meta and recursively when this comment is voted down so y'all won't have to see all the things y'all won't talk about being talked about.
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#20For me it’s hard to pin this on Facebook. E2E encryption should mean the provider has no idea about its content, only metadata. The author is right to blame US intel, as it clearly either legitimately had no idea what was about to happen or set Biden up tor embarrassment. However regressive the Taliban turns out to govern, they did everyone right by making this happen peacefully. I just worry all of that about all th…
They have all the metadata and have made it clear that they are analyzing it. Either their marketing is a complete lie or they were very aware of this.
It's not unusual for Facebook to just ignore things like this. It's a popular platform for grooming children and Instagram is how people are buying drugs now. As far as I can tell effective moderation of these global platforms might be impossible (or unprofitable.)