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Re: British Police Duped by LulzSec Into Arresting the Wrong Guy?

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Post by wnight » Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 12:18 AM UTC

gjm11 wrote: post #14

wccrawford wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it was all a little unclear. I'm still not sure whether LS's Topiary stole the name from a troll, or a troll started using Topiary's name. Not that it matters... In the end, it looks like the real Topiary is in a different country altogether from where the arrest was made. Absolutely hilarious. How long before the police discover their mistake, I wonder?

Not quite so hilarious for the person who (if this story is right) has been arrested for things he didn't do.

Better he learn what the system is like while young. With media attention on his arrest he's likely to be unmolested.

There's no alternative where he was safe, just ones where the risk wasn't realized. Now he'll know what many complacent people never realize - how fragile his life is and how easily 'evidence' against him is created as necessary.

Re: British Police Duped by LulzSec Into Arresting the Wrong Guy?

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Post by dwyer » Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 1:13 AM UTC

rmason wrote: post #20

Or maybe Topiary's friends are trying to convince the police they got the wrong guy and get some added publicity at the same time?

More than likely. The conversation seems like a movie script. Too cut and dry; everything spelled out for the audience.

> Topiary: (as you know I stole this nickname from a troll last December, didn't work out so well)

Give me a break.

Re: British Police Duped by LulzSec Into Arresting the Wrong Guy?

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Post by Tyrannosaurs » Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 7:18 AM UTC

Tyrannosaurs wrote: post #15

GHFigs wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know precisely how it works in Scotland, but presumably they had evidence sufficient to obtain a warrant for the arrest. Are you really saying the police should have to prove guilt before arresting suspects?

The police (here in Scotland or pretty much anywhere) can arrest someone on suspicion of something with pretty minimal evidence, you don't need a warrant but once you have arrested them you then have to either charge them or release them within a relatively short space of time (our rather draconian anti-terror laws which mean they can be held for weeks without charge wouldn't apply here). It makes no sense for them t…

Looking into this a bit more it was national police from the Met in London who carried out this arrest.

Re: British Police Duped by LulzSec Into Arresting the Wrong Guy?

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Post by zhazam » Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 2:37 PM UTC

rmason wrote: post #20

Or maybe Topiary's friends are trying to convince the police they got the wrong guy and get some added publicity at the same time?

This seems likely - the "police are dumbasses" mentality, and popular image of LulzSec as clever hackers really doing it for "lulz", allow them to present stories like this -and- gain support.

Not to dismiss the possibility entirely, of course - but it is awfully consistent with their previous attempts to hide the fact that they're on a sinking ship.

Re: British Police Duped by LulzSec Into Arresting the Wrong Guy?

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Post by mattmanser » Fri, Jul 29, 2011, 5:17 PM UTC

nini wrote: post #30

mattmanser wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's english with a few more words, they still sound scottish, not swedish. From a bit of youtubing and googling the few clips I've heard are instantly recognizable as scottish, with a few words you don't understand. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shet... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij60XUvWjZY&feature=playe... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVxNxnXo7-c&playnext=1&#3... http://www.youtub…

British accent != accent from the UK. I doubt anyone from Northern Ireland would asociate with being thier accent called British, from either side of the political divide; and I suspect more than a few of our Scottish bretheren would object rightly or wrongly. But to your point - a Scottish accent and a Swedish one are distinctly different.

Scotland and Shetland are both part of the British Isles, a geographic term. Scotland itself is actually part of Great Britain, an island which contain England, Wales and Scotland. Although admittedly Shetland is not.

The term British is rather malleable but check the first entry in wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain

Yes, common usage of the term British includes the whole of the UK.

The usual problem people from Scotland and Ireland have are being called English, not British and Scots are British anyway and I never mentioned the Irish.

Finally riddle me this, what should I have used instead of British to refer to the people of the UK? Which is where I'm from I might add. As there exists no other term other than British.