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Re: What domain name to use for your home network

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I hope you never forget to renew that registration...

I agree! It always boggles my mind how people and companies can forget to renew their domain names when you receive so many email reminders now a days.

It is quite easy, the original owner/ responsible PoC left long ago, or the email goes to an barely read inbox/ group or bounces completely.

If a task only recurs less frequently like say every 3-5 years, it is more likely to be forgotten it is the same whether it is individual or companies.

Re: What domain name to use for your home network

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The blog post misses the (controversial if you're one of the ex-applicants) decision by ICANN to ban .corp, .home and .mail from ever appearing on the internet. So you've got those options too. Or in ICANN management-speak: "Whereas, the Board considered that the applicants were not aware before the application window that the strings .CORP, .HOME, and .MAIL would be identified as high-risk, and that the delegations…

It actually mentioned .home as something not to use (along with .lan and.homenetwork)

Maybe the GP meant "missed" as in "was wrong about".

[EDIT:] (I'm not saying it is; just that GP may think so.) [/EDIT]

Re: What domain name to use for your home network

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> Do not use undelegated domain names like .lan, .home, .homenet, .network, nor should you make up your own domain name. ...why? My DNS server, my rules, no? Why should I feel obligated to follow ICANN? Obviously, I'll need to make changes if someone ever registers the domain with ICANN (and I want to access the ICANN version), but other than that...

I'm with ya.

I use `.zz`.

It's short, easy to type, and in order for that to be assigned out, we'd need an entirely new country to be created (one that decided the other bazillion free CCTLDs are not to their liking). And like you say, I only run into a problem if I decide I want to access things from said country.

Would I do this in any professional setting? Absolutely not. For my own stuff at home? The risk is pretty minimal and the work involved in updating if I ever have to is not too bad.

DHCP automatically registers everything under .zz, and I cname well-known things from .svc.zz to the appropriate hostname so I can hit, e.g., `blueiris.svc.zz` or `homeassistant.svc.zz`.

For SSL I just run my own CA.

Re: What domain name to use for your home network

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post #27

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What if you make a typo on .home.arpa? e.g., .home.arps? How is that any different?

Because all DNS software is supposed to know that the .arpa domain name is managed by the IETF and not ICANN. Or, rather, they know not to try to resolve it. There are a handful of different .arpa domains in use, and they all require special handling from your DNS server. E.g. reverse DNS/rDNS uses in-addr.arpa., and the DNS server in even the dumbest consumer-grade router will know how to respond to requests under t…

that doesn't mean anything if you typo on ".arpa".

No DNS hardware is smart enough to know that you meant ".arpa" not ".apra" you actually typed in.

Typos are not really a valid argument, it can happen for any type of domain.

Re: What domain name to use for your home network

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post #70

No mention of .internal https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wkumari-dnsop-in... (Though maybe it's not a great name for this particular application, it seems to make a lot of sense for enterprise level infrastructure)

I tried to get my company's IT department to put my latest project on a .internal domain. They wouldn't go for it, even though it can and will only be used by people internally.

They bound it to a sub domain of the company's main web site claiming that Microsoft (maybe something with Active Directory? Or Azure?) doesn't support any domains that you don't actually own.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is false because the people in charge of the domains think GoDaddy is awesome. Would love to hear an HN expert tell me if they're full of crap or not.

Re: What domain name to use for your home network

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree! It always boggles my mind how people and companies can forget to renew their domain names when you receive so many email reminders now a days.

It is quite easy, the original owner/ responsible PoC left long ago, or the email goes to an barely read inbox/ group or bounces completely. If a task only recurs less frequently like say every 3-5 years, it is more likely to be forgotten it is the same whether it is individual or companies.

> the original owner/ responsible PoC left long ago

"Person of Colo(u)r"?

Re: What domain name to use for your home network

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post #70

No mention of .internal https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wkumari-dnsop-in... (Though maybe it's not a great name for this particular application, it seems to make a lot of sense for enterprise level infrastructure)

That's an Internet Draft, not a standard or even at least a published RFC. An Internet Draft cannot be used Internet-Drafts as reference material or cited as anything other than "work in progress."

There are some more reserved domains in RFC 6761 (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc6761) though:

- .test (Application software SHOULD NOT recognize test names as special, and SHOULD use test names as they would other domain names. [...] Caching DNS servers SHOULD recognize test names as special and SHOULD NOT, by default, attempt to look up NS records for them, or otherwise query authoritative DNS servers in an attempt to resolve test names. Instead, caching DNS servers SHOULD, by default, generate immediate negative responses for all such queries.)

- .localhost (Users are free to use localhost names as they would any other domain names. Users may assume that IPv4 and IPv6 address queries for localhost names will always resolve to the respective IP loopback address.)

- .invalid (Users are free to use "invalid" names as they would any other domain names. Users MAY assume that queries for "invalid" names will always return NXDOMAIN responses. Name resolution APIs and libraries SHOULD recognize "invalid" names as special and SHOULD always return immediate negative responses. Name resolution APIs SHOULD NOT send queries for "invalid" names to their configured caching DNS server(s).)

- .example, .example.com, .example.net (Users SHOULD understand that example names are reserved for use in documentation.)

Unfortunately, none of these address the same needs as .internal would.

Re: What domain name to use for your home network

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What method are people using to configure this oin their own network? The router supplied by my ISP doesn't support using a custom DNS server like a pihole, unfortunately. I don't consider using /etc/hosts a longterm worthwhile solution. I'd love to find another useful way of setting this up.

Re: What domain name to use for your home network

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is quite easy, the original owner/ responsible PoC left long ago, or the email goes to an barely read inbox/ group or bounces completely. If a task only recurs less frequently like say every 3-5 years, it is more likely to be forgotten it is the same whether it is individual or companies.

> the original owner/ responsible PoC left long ago "Person of Colo(u)r"?

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