Linux phone apps: "Let's reimplement all of Android's basic app system in a less secure language because Java isn't cool and Unix should be always in C"
let’s hope they at least use Rust
LinuxPhoneApps
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#22Glad to see us moving more and more to a linux phone ecosystem. Obviously this ecosystem is still early but exciting to see the foundations being laid.
True. The way to get the users interested and increase adoption is by having the majority of Android apps being available on the Linux phone ecosystem fully working. On top of that, they need to be quick or else Google will steam-roll them silently with Fuchsia and the Flutter ecosystem right under everyone's noses.
Wouldn't the flutter sdk be viable as a desktop target?
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
If your goal was to make a worse version of android, that would be a smart play. But mobile linux can be more than a dumbed down mobile OS. Writing apps in this way makes it capable of "convergence", which means it can run a full desktop OS.
Should we want convergence? 'Converging' OSs so far are horrible either for desktop or phone (e.g. Windows 8). Ordinary apps could have been kept in Java while still allowing a full developer environment with the typical C tools (something Android/iOS aren't interested at all to do).
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#24Android dev here. If they want the developer's attention they need to provide tools. Flutter is an alternative, compose desktop would be another, it intellij makes it run on kotlin native. We don't want to learn gtkSomething or using low level languages like c.
I'd they don't than Linux on phones to be mainstream, then keep doing what they are doing.
Also they need a big player like Xiaomi or Samsung to make a Linux edition of their flagships. People will be willing to pay big money for a super fast Linux phone.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
True. The way to get the users interested and increase adoption is by having the majority of Android apps being available on the Linux phone ecosystem fully working. On top of that, they need to be quick or else Google will steam-roll them silently with Fuchsia and the Flutter ecosystem right under everyone's noses.
Wouldn't the flutter sdk be viable as a desktop target?
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#26Glad to see us moving more and more to a linux phone ecosystem. Obviously this ecosystem is still early but exciting to see the foundations being laid.
True. The way to get the users interested and increase adoption is by having the majority of Android apps being available on the Linux phone ecosystem fully working. On top of that, they need to be quick or else Google will steam-roll them silently with Fuchsia and the Flutter ecosystem right under everyone's noses.
I’d prefer the steaming pile of android (surveillance) apps is kept out of the Linux phone eco-system.
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#27Glad to see us moving more and more to a linux phone ecosystem. Obviously this ecosystem is still early but exciting to see the foundations being laid.
Most phone apps are better as web pages, what remains competes (poorly) with the already existing software library Linux has.
--a Pinephone user
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe glade will support Gtk4 still in this decade, meanwhile I rather use JetPack Composer.
AFAIK glade won't support Gtk4. Cambalache and drafting are major promises for that: https://blogs.gnome.org/xjuan/2021/02/28/cambalache/ https://gitlab.gnome.org/chergert/drafting
It is a one man's job, and as per his GUADEC talk, still lots to be done to bring all glade features into the boat, and he also made a big plea for sponsorship, as otherwise he might not be able to keep working on it.
Meanwhile even the old View based GUI editor in Eclipse had more features, let alone the last generation of graphical tooling for Android.
This kind of tools just aren't on the same league, regional football teams feeling great just because they manage to be part of national cup, which will scored quite heavily when the match with first league teams come.
But hey dreaming is good.
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#29Frankly, open-source phones need more powerful processors. The current ones can barely handle modern websites (and before people get in a tizzy about how the web is bloated, that’s too bad and people need it to work well since there won’t be a fleshed-out app ecosystem).
Do open source phones have support for a good add blocker? I find that the difference between browsing with and without unlock on my Android phone is about 20 degrees.
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#30Frankly, open-source phones need more powerful processors. The current ones can barely handle modern websites (and before people get in a tizzy about how the web is bloated, that’s too bad and people need it to work well since there won’t be a fleshed-out app ecosystem).
Do open source phones have support for a good add blocker? I find that the difference between browsing with and without unlock on my Android phone is about 20 degrees.
GNU/Linux phones run desktop Firefox.