The Rooms Where It Happened

I understand why (historically), but it is still one of those things that cannot be unseen once you see them - there are no women in those paintings/photos. It really boggles the mind of a modern human.

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Post by whoaisme » Sun, Aug 15, 2021, 8:28 PM UTC

poszlem wrote: post #3

I understand why (historically), but it is still one of those things that cannot be unseen once you see them - there are no women in those paintings/photos. It really boggles the mind of a modern human.

Yawn. Really tired of self congratulatory comments like this. You live in more or less the same society today. It doesn't boggle the modern mind at all and you saying it does is shallow virtue signaling and nothing more.

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Post by jhgb » Sun, Aug 15, 2021, 8:51 PM UTC

poszlem wrote: post #3

I understand why (historically), but it is still one of those things that cannot be unseen once you see them - there are no women in those paintings/photos. It really boggles the mind of a modern human.

> It really boggles the mind of a modern human.

I'm not sure it would, since it would still be unlikely today for them to be there in these military positions.

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Post by sandworm101 » Sun, Aug 15, 2021, 8:56 PM UTC

These are the rooms where documents were signed. Actual negotiation and agreement happen in much more humble places. The french revolution famously began in a tennis court. Every peace plan for the last thousand years was first agreed over either a bar or dinner table. The dive bars of any world capital have better stories to tell than any government auditorium.

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Post by benbenolson » Sun, Aug 15, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

poszlem wrote: post #3

I understand why (historically), but it is still one of those things that cannot be unseen once you see them - there are no women in those paintings/photos. It really boggles the mind of a modern human.

If this boggles your mind, you are very confused indeed.

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Post by sandworm101 » Sun, Aug 15, 2021, 9:27 PM UTC

poszlem wrote: post #3

I understand why (historically), but it is still one of those things that cannot be unseen once you see them - there are no women in those paintings/photos. It really boggles the mind of a modern human.

>> there are no women in those paintings/photos.

Except the last one, the one from 1995. Progress happened. I"m glad to see that the first woman to be depicted is actually sitting at the table. I'd be unhappy if the one woman in the article was servant or mistress to one of the men. This woman is clearly a world leaders, although I cannot figure out who she is.

(Is the woman leaning over the table Hillary Clinton?)

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Post by adventured » Sun, Aug 15, 2021, 9:55 PM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #8

poszlem wrote: post #3

I understand why (historically), but it is still one of those things that cannot be unseen once you see them - there are no women in those paintings/photos. It really boggles the mind of a modern human.

>> there are no women in those paintings/photos. Except the last one, the one from 1995. Progress happened. I"m glad to see that the first woman to be depicted is actually sitting at the table. I'd be unhappy if the one woman in the article was servant or mistress to one of the men. This woman is clearly a world leaders, although I cannot figure out who she is. (Is the woman leaning over the table Hillary Clinton?)

Not sure who the woman is, however it's not Clinton.

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Post by balsam » Sun, Aug 15, 2021, 10:53 PM UTC

Animats wrote: post #2

Sometimes it's not indoors. - Germany surrenders to France in a railroad car.[1] - France surrenders to Germany in the same railroad car.[2] - Japan surrenders to Allies on the deck of the battleship Missouri. [3] - S. Vietnam surrenders to N. Vietnam, outdoors at the presidential palace.[4] Formal surrenders are rare today. [1] https://www.history.com/.image/c_limit%2Ccs_srgb%2Cq_auto:go... [2] https://4.bp.blogspot…

These are not the diplomatic events described by the article. Surrender events are dominated by military personnel and not diplomats from places other than the belligerent. In fact, there are separate diplomatic events related to each of your examples. The more relevant event for [3] took place at san francisco.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Francisco

(You were probably biased by the appomatox court house surrender, which was an outlier in that article, which, presumably, the author had to include out of fervent provincialism)