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Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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Post by bserge »

Inate_Hikkers wrote: post #149
bserge wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A relative of mine is buying into the vaccine conspiracies along with shitting on depression and other mental problems, and honestly, I wish they'd get a serious case of Covid or something. These people don't learn until someone they know actually fucking dies.

I'm not conspiratorial but I am "vaccine hesitant" as they call it here in the US. For instance, if I theoretically got bitten by a rabid dog and I didn't want to die I would take the rabies vax. I personally disapprove of the COVID vaccine since it is very unusual for vaccines to be made in two days...and evidence regarding long-term side effects is scarce. However if taking the Covid vaccine meant I would get $10k…

Yeah, I am more pissed at the dismissal of metal health. Don't care much about Covid, had it, it was weak. I'd take the vaccine just to regain the freedoms. Then again I'd take anything lol, some shit I tried really sent me down some weird holes. And I would welcome death, so meh.

Oh that guy, hey! I came home and my account is banned heh. Fantastic.

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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Post by simplyunjustly »

CarelessExpert wrote: post #82
jaywalk wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know a doctor at a hospital and he said that the current percentage of vaccinated Covid admissions is very close to the overall percentage of vaccinated people in his area.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Every jurisdiction reporting actual, real data and not just rumours on Fox News has indicated that over 90% of Covid admissions are unvaccinated, even in areas with greater than 50% of the population with two doses.

Just looked at our census data again today, 50% of the patients hospitalized in our community hospitals are vaccinated. Not a huge sample size, but still. I'm not sure if our health system reports on this data or not.

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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Post by the_dune_13 »

codyswann wrote: post #143
stmfreak wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope and nope. Waiting for phase three trials to complete.

What can phase three trials show us that an empirical trial of a billion people can’t?

Well, I think everyone have had an opportunity to check results of phase three trials since last October or September?

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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Post by vajrabum »

jaywalk wrote: post #96
vajrabum wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The simple fact that you aren't willing to offer any evidence when asked for it does in fact make you and your assertion appear to be a lot less credible. This is public data at least anywhere in the US. Where is this largish hospital? Inquiring minds want to know.

Is it public data anywhere in the US? I know that my state (Michigan) doesn't break down hospitalizations by vaccination status. Or if they do, it's not with the rest of the Covid data they put out online.

The link below suggests that the story your doctor acquaintance is telling telling is either an outlier for your state or is just incorrect. BTW, I found this data from last week with this search "us hospitalizations covid vaccination status". There's also CDC data which is updated weekly that can be seen in the same search. So not hard or complicated to verify.

https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrou...

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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Post by rstuart4133 »

umvi wrote: post #48

Once upon a time there was town called Statisticsville with a population of 1000 people. Every year around 8 people die. Sometimes 7, sometimes 9. One year, a new infectious disease came along and killed 2 additional people (both elderly). The population nearly had a civil war over these additional 2 deaths because some people thought the additional 2 deaths could have been prevented with better enforced public healt…

That sounds odd way for people to behave. Perhaps there is something else going on in Statisticsville that wasn't mentioned?

Maybe, even though only 2 people died, another 8 got admitted to hospital with a serious life threatening disease. Of the 6 that were discharged, 2 suffered continuous relapses requiring multiple readmissions and major life style changes (like stopping work).

Or perhaps there was something significant about the extra 2 that died. Maybe, rather being in retirement, they were in their 30's, shouldering the peak of adult responsibilities like child raising?

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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Post by rstuart4133 »

rstuart4133 wrote: post #155
umvi wrote: post #48

Once upon a time there was town called Statisticsville with a population of 1000 people. Every year around 8 people die. Sometimes 7, sometimes 9. One year, a new infectious disease came along and killed 2 additional people (both elderly). The population nearly had a civil war over these additional 2 deaths because some people thought the additional 2 deaths could have been prevented with better enforced public healt…

That sounds odd way for people to behave. Perhaps there is something else going on in Statisticsville that wasn't mentioned? Maybe, even though only 2 people died, another 8 got admitted to hospital with a serious life threatening disease. Of the 6 that were discharged, 2 suffered continuous relapses requiring multiple readmissions and major life style changes (like stopping work). Or perhaps there was something sign…

Replying to myself, from https://theconversation.com/s-165250 :

> For younger people who are unwell enough to be hospitalised with COVID-19, the outcomes can be quite serious. A large study from the United Kingdom showed 27% of 19 to 29-year-olds admitted to hospital suffered some form of organ damage to the liver, lungs or kidneys

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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Post by stevenalowe »

umvi wrote: post #74
stevenalowe wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

perhaps the part where the virus death rate is off by a factor of 10

Huh, in what way was it off by a factor of 10? Population of USA is 330M [0] 2,854,838 registered deaths in 2019, which is 0.8% of the population, or about 8 in 1000 [1] As of December 31 2020, around 400k people had died of covid in the USA, but let's just be conservative and pretend 600k people died in 2020. 600k out of 330M is 0.18% of the population or about 2 in 1000 [2] [0] https://www.worldometers.info/world-p…

the calculation for the death rate - mortality rate - of a disease depends on how many people that contracted the disease died, not how many people there are in the universe. [0] so sick of seeing this bullshit repeated over and over. downvote away. again.

[0] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-...

Re: I’m an ICU Doctor and I Can't Believe What Unvaccinated Patients Are Saying

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Post by Inate_Hikkers »

bserge wrote: post #151
Inate_Hikkers wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not conspiratorial but I am "vaccine hesitant" as they call it here in the US. For instance, if I theoretically got bitten by a rabid dog and I didn't want to die I would take the rabies vax. I personally disapprove of the COVID vaccine since it is very unusual for vaccines to be made in two days...and evidence regarding long-term side effects is scarce. However if taking the Covid vaccine meant I would get $10k…

Yeah, I am more pissed at the dismissal of metal health. Don't care much about Covid, had it, it was weak. I'd take the vaccine just to regain the freedoms. Then again I'd take anything lol, some shit I tried really sent me down some weird holes. And I would welcome death, so meh. Oh that guy, hey! I came home and my account is banned heh. Fantastic.

Instead of trying to tackle crime, drug use, depression, etc. at a surface level, the government should take a step back and try to look at WHY we are slaves to instant dopamine.
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