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Lenovo Selling Linux Laptops Directly in the US

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Re: Lenovo Selling Linux Laptops Directly in the US

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Lenovo is still far away from Dell in this regard. None of Lenovo's top of the line Thinkpad workstations allow you to choose Ubuntu. The example you've sent has Ubuntu 18.04 which is over 3 years old and not the latest LTS version. It's a pathetic half-assed attempt from Lenovo and they're gonna have to do a lot better if they want to get in to Linux laptop market.

The fact that they offer Linux does not mean you have to stick with what they install. It means Linux hardware support is safe.

Re: Lenovo Selling Linux Laptops Directly in the US

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I got an X1 Extreme, went to switch the graphics from Hybrid to Discreet in the BIOS to install Linux, and immediately bricked it. It was a bug. No reset can fix it. They have to replace the motherboard. They had it four months before I finally got them to just replace the machine.

Their entire graphics setup on the X1 and P1 laptops is atrocious, and I've definitely bitched about it here before. Basically, you can't turn off GPU without loosing the external HDMI, so you need to leave it on if you use an external monitor. But that eats battery. And you can't easily turn the GPU on/off whenever you "go mobile" - it requires an Xorg restart. There's some software crap you can do (Bumblebee? Primu…

Absolutely agree with you. Still suffering from it. Worst and most expensive experience since more than 20 years of ThinkPads. I was buying ThinkPads for the good linux support, the keyboard, the Trackpoint, the excellent repairability and extendability. Last year august ordered the P1 Gen 3 without Nvidia, after being delayed for more than 2 months and I had to go on travel, cancelled it. In hindsight it was good to cancel, the gen 3 apparently has the same heat problems. Maybe the gen 4 will be better, however already now is known that key travel has been shortened. If there would be another brand that fullfils my requirements, would switch in a heartbeat.

Re: Lenovo Selling Linux Laptops Directly in the US

#83

Can’t trust them since the multiple spyware incidents. Fool me four times, shame on me Eg, > But it did more than that. It injected a self-signed root HTTPS certificate, which allowed them to hijack any and all encrypted traffic Different incident > This malware was hidden in the laptop's firmware, and abused the anti-theft feature in Windows 8 and 10. Whenever the laptop booted up, the executable would be extracted…

This is the only thing stopping me from buying an X1 Carbon. I had decided to buy a Dell Latitude instead, but apparently Dell did something similar [1], so now I don't know what to buy. Maybe a Huawei? AFAIK they haven't been caught in these shenanigans yet, but I still don't feel comfortable with them for some reason. God, the laptop market is awful. [1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/11/superfish-20-now-dell-.…

Nah, it's not. Buy a MacBook.

Re: Lenovo Selling Linux Laptops Directly in the US

#84

Can’t trust them since the multiple spyware incidents. Fool me four times, shame on me Eg, > But it did more than that. It injected a self-signed root HTTPS certificate, which allowed them to hijack any and all encrypted traffic Different incident > This malware was hidden in the laptop's firmware, and abused the anti-theft feature in Windows 8 and 10. Whenever the laptop booted up, the executable would be extracted…

Yup, no one should trust them given their reputation of installing spyware + being Chinese owned. I thing Dell is amongst the top choices nowadays with regards to Linux laptops. P.s. I miss the old Thinkpads (the IBM era)

I have a t420 as my daily driver. Nothing to miss, it's still a good device by any standards

Re: Lenovo Selling Linux Laptops Directly in the US

#85
I have the X1 9th gen.running Ubuntu 21.04. As of now, my Microphone doesn't work, and the get the speakers to be adequate was a challenge (some Dolby Atmos thing). They specify "Linux" as the OS but not which distribution. I'd love to see how the setup is in "Linux" so that the audio system works well.

Other than that, it's a stellar machine. 32GB ram in that form factor and keyboard goes a long way.

Re: Lenovo Selling Linux Laptops Directly in the US

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I'm happy with my System76 Lemur Pro. It's refreshing to buy a nice laptop from a linux vendor who are maintaing their own (ubuntu based) distro and actually shipping a very polished gnome experience. Edit: Forgot to mention they ship with coreboot too.

After two System76 laptops I have now switched to Dell. System76 is good, but it's just too much of a hassle when buying from the EU; particularly when dealing with hardware defects under warranty. After all those years I had hoped System76 would have partnered up with a representative in the EU internal market, but alas. Dell is also acting corporately weird by the way. The XPS 13 (9310) is available with Ubuntu 20.…

I was forced to use Dell by my previous employer for many years. After a couple of kernel upgrades in the beginning everything was smooth and rock-solid. I bought several unused ones for a symbolic price from that employer and they still serve well as family machines (running Linux), despite being over 10 years old now.

Because I don't fiddle with my machine a lot I liked the way you just enter the service tag into their support site and even years later you got all relevent information about the machine including the full configuration when it was built.

Recently I had to do support for a new a Dell, some XPS 15 really high end machine. I was disappointed to see that they seem to have closed their Finnish internet store altogether, the links to the resellers are broken, the support page only tells me that the machine has run out of warranty 3 months ago (lasted obviously only 1 year). So no more Dell for me in the future.

Re: Lenovo Selling Linux Laptops Directly in the US

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Hmm, about two years ago I bought an X1 5 gen, it had horrible Linux support.. as in it just didn't work properly. So I sent it back for refund, that was no problem. I'll say this: I respect Lenovo customer service.

No 15% restocking fee? Lucky you. Every one of my Lenovo customer service interactions made me regret my purchase.

Restocking fee must be some US only concept. At least that won't fly in EU.

Re: Lenovo Selling Linux Laptops Directly in the US

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This is the only thing stopping me from buying an X1 Carbon. I had decided to buy a Dell Latitude instead, but apparently Dell did something similar [1], so now I don't know what to buy. Maybe a Huawei? AFAIK they haven't been caught in these shenanigans yet, but I still don't feel comfortable with them for some reason. God, the laptop market is awful. [1] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/11/superfish-20-now-dell-.…

I've been buying Fujitsu laptop for all of my friends, relatives, and family for the last 10 years, and all the issues I've had is one dead fan and one shitty touchpad. Tough, reliable, no bloatware, "Made in Japan" sticker... why does nobody in the US talk about Fujitsu laptops?!

> why does nobody in the US talk about Fujitsu laptops?!

Probably little to no corporate availability? My past jobs have had Dell or Thinkpads as an option, none has ever had Fujitsu.

But now I am interested in it as a personal laptop. What would be the Fujitsu equivalent of a Thinkpad Carbon X1 or a Dell XPS 13?

Re: Lenovo Selling Linux Laptops Directly in the US

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I had a ThinkPad T14 AMD, which is Linux-certified by Lenovo. If you are used to the warts of Linux on laptops, it is quite ok. However, coming from MacBooks, the experience was comparatively bad. Pros: - The CPU fan on the Ryzen 7 Pro 4750U is not very loud. - You can easily add more memory (bumped up mine to 32GB RAM). - You can easily replace the SSD (replaced mine by 1TB) and there is M.2 slot for WWAN which can…

> I enabled S3 sleep (Linux compatibility), but the laptops drains the batteries like crazy in sleep. 1-2 days in a backpack and it's dead. 84hrs off power and 45% remaining on MBA. I can't go back. > - Battery life on Linux is ok-ish (typically 6 hours with light use), but nowhere near an M1 Mac (or even an Intel Mac). To be fair, my 2019 Intel MBP barely survived 6 hours.

The battery drain while in sleep is my only real complaint about my X13 AMD. That and sometimes things get weird with volume controls when plugging and unplugging headphones (never had that issue with any of my Intel Thinkpads). Other than that, it's by far the best laptop I've ever had, including a 2020 MBP.

Re: Lenovo Selling Linux Laptops Directly in the US

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Can’t trust them since the multiple spyware incidents. Fool me four times, shame on me Eg, > But it did more than that. It injected a self-signed root HTTPS certificate, which allowed them to hijack any and all encrypted traffic Different incident > This malware was hidden in the laptop's firmware, and abused the anti-theft feature in Windows 8 and 10. Whenever the laptop booted up, the executable would be extracted…

This thread is about Linux. I know they have been caught for spyware on Windows more than once.

Has there been anything similar bad as worse Intel ME by Lenovo on lower level? (Serious question, I don't know)

I would buy a Linux machine from them mainly to know that drivers exist for all components and not to pay the Microsoft tax (symbolic reason, I don't think you really see a difference in price). I would still install my own Linux as I prefer it. So their spyware would not apply to me, I'd hope.

Of course ideally one should not support shitty vendors. Unfortunately all of them are, just in different ways.

Edit: Well, maybe System76 is not shitty. But they are expensive and still seem to have no European support whatsoever. So not an option for me either.

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