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Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body problem

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Re: Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body problem

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This may be a Rant, or an unpopular opinion. Life is strange. As if God is reminding me something. It was only yesterday Overthinking [1] was submitted on HN. A little over 10 years ago many of my friends and colleagues told me to stop overthinking about things. It was causing me some stress and depression because when you start doing analysis many level deep the only conclusion is any small variance will simply caus…

> It was causing me some stress and depression because when you start doing analysis many level deep the only conclusion is any small variance will simply cause Chaos.

With n-body simulation problems, we don’t actually observe immediate chaotic behavior following small perturbations. In fact, we can readily simulate these systems with considerable accuracy if we want to spend the compute resources. For example, simulating our own solar system with far more than 3 bodies in play can be done with a high degree of accuracy to timescales far beyond our lifetimes.

However, the n-body problem isn’t a good analogy for your sense of personal agency anyway. You aren’t a chunk of rock floating helplessly through space. You are a human being who can take action to influence your own trajectory. You can apply pressure and course correct in a feedback loop, unlike a planet hurling through the solar system.

That doesn’t mean you can influence everything, but it it does mean that it’s wrong to assume that your life is chaotic or that nothing you do matters. (FWIW, The latter feeling is a very classic, and erroneous, thought pattern present in depressive disorders. Correcting that misconception is a core principle of CBT therapy).

You are not a planet hurtling helplessly through space for billions of years. You’re more like a satellite being launched optimistically into the right general area, but it still has to use the limited amount of thruster energy onboard to push itself into the right place. It doesn’t always work exactly as planned, but not using the thrusters at all would assure failure.

Re: Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body problem

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Send it over to Trisolaris!

They're gonna feel so silly when they get all the way here to kill us and realize we solved their silly little problem and they have to turn right back around and go home. The looks on their translucent non-existent face things...

Re: Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body problem

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This may be a Rant, or an unpopular opinion. Life is strange. As if God is reminding me something. It was only yesterday Overthinking [1] was submitted on HN. A little over 10 years ago many of my friends and colleagues told me to stop overthinking about things. It was causing me some stress and depression because when you start doing analysis many level deep the only conclusion is any small variance will simply caus…

> Americanism ( which also spreads to non-Americans working inside American companies ) views on the world suggest if you work hard you will get it. America is a big place. I'm seventh generation American, with a patriotic family. I wasn't raised to believe that if you work hard you WILL get it. No, it's that if you DON'T work hard, you WON'T get it. You see, success is hard work + luck. You can have luck without har…

> There's this characiture of American culture and the idea of our meritocracy

But earlier

> if I work hard and have a little luck, I'll get by. A little more luck and I'll be successful. A little less, and I might need to rely on my family or community.

This isn't a meritocracy that you are describing

Re: Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body problem

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Is there an email list where I can subscribe for information about this book/pre-order?

Not yet, but I'll start thinking about it. I've never talked to anyone about it other than close friends, I probably should share more as progress continues.

I think it's great that you're not hyping it, and hope you don't until it's close to ready.

That said, even though I am not an MMORPG player, I'd be interested in seeing it.

Re: Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body problem

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> Americanism ( which also spreads to non-Americans working inside American companies ) views on the world suggest if you work hard you will get it. America is a big place. I'm seventh generation American, with a patriotic family. I wasn't raised to believe that if you work hard you WILL get it. No, it's that if you DON'T work hard, you WON'T get it. You see, success is hard work + luck. You can have luck without har…

> There's this characiture of American culture and the idea of our meritocracy But earlier > if I work hard and have a little luck, I'll get by. A little more luck and I'll be successful. A little less, and I might need to rely on my family or community. This isn't a meritocracy that you are describing

Sure it is. Hard work weights probability in your favour and gives you more opportunities. Surely that's the best anyone can ever hope for? Do you have a system in mind that makes guarantees?

Re: Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body problem

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This may be a Rant, or an unpopular opinion. Life is strange. As if God is reminding me something. It was only yesterday Overthinking [1] was submitted on HN. A little over 10 years ago many of my friends and colleagues told me to stop overthinking about things. It was causing me some stress and depression because when you start doing analysis many level deep the only conclusion is any small variance will simply caus…

> if you work hard you will get it

That's a misunderstanding. It's working hard on the right things. Working hard digging a hole then filling it up again will never lead to success.

As for luck, the idea is to put yourself in a position where luck can find you. For example, you'll never meet the partner of your dreams by never leaving the house.

Re: Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body problem

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This may be a Rant, or an unpopular opinion. Life is strange. As if God is reminding me something. It was only yesterday Overthinking [1] was submitted on HN. A little over 10 years ago many of my friends and colleagues told me to stop overthinking about things. It was causing me some stress and depression because when you start doing analysis many level deep the only conclusion is any small variance will simply caus…

> Americanism ( which also spreads to non-Americans working inside American companies ) views on the world suggest if you work hard you will get it. America is a big place. I'm seventh generation American, with a patriotic family. I wasn't raised to believe that if you work hard you WILL get it. No, it's that if you DON'T work hard, you WON'T get it. You see, success is hard work + luck. You can have luck without har…

> I wasn't raised to believe that if you work hard you WILL get it. No, it's that if you DON'T work hard, you WON'T get it.

Reminds me of when the CEO of GM said "What's good for General Motors is good for the country." Except he didn't say that. The press did a hatchet job on him by reporting it that way. The actual quote is "what was good for our country was good for General Motors, and vice versa."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Erwin_Wilson#General_M...

Re: Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body problem

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> Americanism ( which also spreads to non-Americans working inside American companies ) views on the world suggest if you work hard you will get it. America is a big place. I'm seventh generation American, with a patriotic family. I wasn't raised to believe that if you work hard you WILL get it. No, it's that if you DON'T work hard, you WON'T get it. You see, success is hard work + luck. You can have luck without har…

> I wasn't raised to believe that if you work hard you WILL get it. No, it's that if you DON'T work hard, you WON'T get it. Well said. I think the common misconception comes from reducing these wisdoms into aphorisms that are short, but easily misunderstood. Any adult who has lived more than a few years in the real world quickly understands that hard work doesn’t guarantee success, but that success isn’t going to fal…

> It can be extremely comforting to surround yourself with explanations that nothing is actually within your control or that others’ success or happiness is the result of randomness.

On the other hand, accepting responsibility for results is empowering, because it means one can be successful.

I don't see anything happy about deciding one is a hapless victim of others.

Re: Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body problem

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Here is a link to the arXiv version of the paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2011.00010

Incidentally, I used to work in dynamics and Hagai is great to work with. To give you a sense of him, I went to a conference on dynamics that he organized about six years ago, and he opened it with the following story:

Many years ago, the philosopher Nasreddin was on his farm looking out into the distance and saw some people approaching. He had heard that there were bandits in the area and became afraid that they would come, beat him, and steal all his things. So Nasreddin ran away. As he ran, he came to a graveyard, and there he found an open grave. In case the bandits followed him, he decided to take off all his clothes, get in the grave, and pretend to be dead.

It turned out that the men were not bandits, but were Nasreddin's friends. They saw him run off and wondered where he was going and so followed him. As they were walking through the graveyard, they came upon the open grave and saw Nasreddin lying there naked. So they asked him, "Nasreddin, why are you lying in this grave with all your clothes off?"

Nasreddin opened his eyes and saw it was his friends, and replied, "My friends, there are some questions which have no answers. All I can tell you is that I am here because of you, and you are here because of me."

Re: Scientists find an effective solution for the three-body problem

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> There's this characiture of American culture and the idea of our meritocracy But earlier > if I work hard and have a little luck, I'll get by. A little more luck and I'll be successful. A little less, and I might need to rely on my family or community. This isn't a meritocracy that you are describing

Sure it is. Hard work weights probability in your favour and gives you more opportunities. Surely that's the best anyone can ever hope for? Do you have a system in mind that makes guarantees?

Right. Successful people make their own luck.
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